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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos!

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL


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THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
Darkseid vs Thanos in DC Versus Marvel (1996).

In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities. In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!

In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?

Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel. At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse. At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.

So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.

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FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy. For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful. Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength. At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.

With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.

On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.

With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

2. INTELLIGENCE

In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe. As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems. In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.

Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.

Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with. Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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3. PREPARATION

In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them. Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.

In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed. In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

4. POWER

Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes. At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.

On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse. More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!

In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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5. LEADERSHIP

Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis. With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.

In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles. Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.

Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

FORMIDABILITY SCORES

Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%

SCORE: 79

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY:

METAHUMAN

VERDICT:

Darkseid with the ALE is an Abstract in the DC multiverse. Thanos with IG is the Supreme Being of the Marvel universe.

Darkseid wins.

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Super Power: True Form Darkseid Can Destroy The DC Multiverse

 

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IN THE MULTIVERSITY MAP, THERE IS ONLY ONE DARKSEID

The Multiversity map. AP Photo/DC Comics.

From a thread on Quora, there is an explanation about the Multiversity map:

Darkseid is a Multiversal being.

In DC Comics the Multiverse is made up of spheres.

The center of the Multiverse is the Rock of Eternity (nexus of all magic in the Multiverse) and the House of Heroes.

Then we got the Bleed. The Bleed is split between two layers. Upper and lower.

In the Upper layer you got the 52 Main Universes.

In the Lower layer you got a near infinite number of universes. Each universe exploring all the timelines that could were, could be, and still can be. So a really unimaginable number of universes.

The Barrier that splits all those Universes from the Sphere of the Gods (where Darkseid lives) is the Speed Force. The Sphere of the Gods envelopes all those universes I mentioned before.

And for those gods a universe can be as big as a sphere you can hold in your hand, or a bubble you can pop.

Above that Sphere theres the Monitor Sphere, home of the Prime Monitor that is the one that decides which universe is risen to the upper layer of the Bleed, when a main universe is destroyed.

-Is Darkseid a multiversal being (one being existing in all multiverses at the same time) or a single being who has different versions of himself throughout the multiverse?, Quora

AVATAR CREATION

In 'New Gods' (1997) #15, an avatar of Darkseid appears in the Source Wall.
In ‘New Gods’ (1997) #15, an avatar of Darkseid appears in the Source Wall. AP Photo/DC Comics.

In ‘New Gods’ (1997) #15, Darkseid and Highfather are trapped on the Source Wall. In order to communicate with Vykin the Black, Darkseid sends an avatar of himself. Each avatar possesses a fraction of Darkseid’s nigh-infinite power.

SPHERE OF THE GODS

Because Darkseid lives in the Sphere of the Gods, beyond the DC multiverse, there is only one true form Darkseid. Though since Final Crisis, there have been multiple origins of Darkseid when the multiverse was reborn, the other versions of Darkseid that have entered the DC multiverse, are merely avatars. In “What is Darkseid’s True Form?”, Fiction Horizon goes over the concept of avatars.

In The Multiversity Guidebook, the Highfather, also a New God and Darkseid’s brother, states that each reality – past, present and future – has its own version (avatar) of Darkseid. This means that Darkseid is actually an omnipresent, non-corporeal being fragmented so that he can be present in every possible reality. As far as we know, only actual multiversal deities (The Presence in DC Comics and The One Above All in Marvel) and Dr. Manhattan have these abilities, which would put Darkseid – his true form, that is – very high on the list of the most powerful beings in the history of comic books.

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‘SUPERMAN/DOOMSDAY: HUNTER/PREY’ (1994) #1

In ‘Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey’ (1994) #1, as Doomsday beats down the mighty Darkseid! AP Photo/DC Comics.

In ‘Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey’ (1994) #1, Cyborg Superman guides Doomsday to Apokolips who arrives by cargo ship. Programmed by Cyborg Superman, Doomsday destroys Apokolips’ army. Eventually, Darkseid must take direct action and intervene. During the battle, Doomsday delivers a painful beatdown on Apokolips’ monarch. Though there is debate that the Darkseid version Doomsday defeated was an avatar, writer Dan Jurgens seemed to confirm otherwise.

‘SUPERMAN/BATMAN’ (2004) #3

In ‘Superman/Batman’ (2004) #13, Superman is angry at the death of Kara Zor-El and battles Darkseid. AP Photo/DC Comics.

In the “Supergirl from Krypton” storyline, it is hinted that the Darkseid that Superman imprisoned on the Source Wall at the end of the battle was an avatar.

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TRUE FORM DARKSEID CAN DESTROY THE DC MULTIVERSE

In “Final Crisis,” Darkseid reveals his true form. AP Photo/DC Comics.

“Final Crisis” reveals true form Darkseid. At the end of “Death of the New Gods”, the battle between New Genesis and Apokolips invades Heaven. Evil wins the battle, Darkseid armed with the Anti-Life Equation and the New Gods fall to Earth. Known as Boss Dark Side of the Dark Side Club, he orchestrates the ALE going live on the Internet creating a singularity that threatens to send New Earth to Hell, dragged the whole DC multiverse past, present and future with it.

What the storyline shows is that true form Darkseid is a concept of pure Evil, the God of Evil, that threatens to destroy the DC multiverse. So what is true form Darkseid? True form Darkseid is the Anti-Life Equation erasing free will from the DC multiverse.

TRUE FORM DARKSEID IMPOSES THE ALE ON NEW EARTH

In ‘Final Crisis’ (2008) #5, true form Darkseid imposes the ALE on Earth. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

At Bludhaven, true form Darkseid is finally triumphant! With a half of the human population under his control, he has imposed the ALE on Earth.

As the Doomsday Singularity drags Earth to Hell the Fifth World is finally born.

TRUE FORM DARKSEID DESTROYS THE ENTIRE DC MULTIVERSE

In ‘Final Crisis’ (2009) #7, true form Darkseid with ALE is dragging the whole DC multiverse to Hell, except for the JLA Watchtower. AP Photo/DC Comics.

True form Darkseid is a Multiversal Level threat. In ‘Final Crisis’ (2009) #7, true form Darkseid destroyed the entire DC multiverse past, present and future. As the Doomsday Singularity drags the Earths to Hell, the heroes work on the JLA Watchtower on the construction of the 31st century Miracle Machine, the only weapon capable to reverse the effects of the Anti-Life Equation and restore the DC multiverse.

FEAT OF THE DAY: IN ‘INFINITE FRONTIER’ #0, TRUE FORM DARKSEID KILLS THE QUINTESSENCE IN A SURPRISE ATTACK

In ‘Infinite Frontier’ (2021) #0, titled “Infinite Frontier”, freed, true form Darkseid attacks and kills the Quintessence and Spectre. AP Photo/DC Comics.

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SOURCES

Is Darkseid a multiversal being (one being existing in all multiverses at the same time) or a single being who has different versions of himself throughout the multiverse? in Quora.
New Gods Vol 4 15 in DC Database.
What is Darkseid’s True Form? in FICTION HORIZON.
Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey Vol 1 1 in DC Database.
Superman/Batman Vol 1 13 in DC Database.
Final Crisis Vol 1 5 in DC Database.
Final Crisis Vol 1 7 in DC Database.
Infinite Frontier Vol 1 0 in DC Database.
Darkseid: How DC’s Darkest New God Reached His Final Form in CBR.com.