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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid or Thanos, Who Is The Better Villain? (And First Appearance)

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

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THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'

Last month, we ranked the formidabilities in a potential Darkseid vs Thanos battle. And we looked at the characters in continuity at their highest powers: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation.

Now, this month, we look at who between both A-list villains is the better villain.

To this end, we have come up with a villainy score that compares both characters in eight categories: Sales, Origin Story, Character Evolution, Cast, Quality Opponents, Villainy, Power, Popularity. Before we compare our villains let’s list some rules.

  1. The Villainy Score is rated out of 8 points.
  2. For Thanos, we list only the Earth-616 continuity and for Darkseid Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth.
  3. Since we are comparing Sales and Popularity, we include the villains’ performance in other media and their Google Search Results.
  4. For Power, we list their highest achievements across Earth-616, Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth continuities.

So, let’s compare Darkseid and Thanos in the villainy department.

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VILLAINY SCORES

Darkseid.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

For sales, Darkseid lags behind Thanos. In the comic medium, it appears the God of Evil is selling top dollar. In 2009, Final Crisis ranked 14 on the Top Comics of the year with an estimated 127,000 units sold.

Later, in 2020, the Justice League Dark: Apokolips War animated film made $5,474,989 in Total Estimated Domestic Video Sales. In the movie department, the success of Zack Snyder’s Justice League is not sufficient to overcome the Disney juggernaut.

Thanos.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

Though Thanos does not have Darkseid’s level of presence in comics and animation, with fewer comic appearances than Darkseid overall.

At the same time, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has made the villain a pop icon. Together, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame have brought in about $4.8 billion worldwide.

Likely, this is more than the revenue of all the movies in the DCEU combined.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

ORIGIN STORY

In some respects, Darkseid’s origin story has been changed over DC continuity.

Post-Crisis, he was Prince Uxas who killed his brother Drax and claimed the Omega Effect. In the New 52, Darkseid was a peasant who ascended to the throne of Apokolips.

For the most part, the New God’s story deserved to be more known.

ORIGIN STORY

Really, Thanos’ origin story is better known. In true Marvel fashion, he is given a character flaw.

Namely, being a Deviant among the perfect Eternals of Titan. For the most part, this explains his descent into villainy. And his affection for the embodiment of Death.

Definitely, he is more fleshed out in his motivations.

 

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ADVANTAGE: THANOS

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In many respects, both characters have evolved over the years. Namely, it took Darkseid millennia before finally obtaining the ALE.

In the New 52, Darkseid was conquering the DC multiverse, killing versions of Superman in order to find the ALE and Grail.

After Infinite Frontier, DC Comics revealed True Form Darkseid.

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In addition, Thanos has evolved speedily. Once a third rate villain, he arose to prominence with the conquest of the Cosmic Cube.

Then, he set his sights on the Infinity Gauntlet. Post-IG, the Mad Titan attempted a path of redemption.

However, Thanos Wins revealed a possible future where the villain has eliminated all the heroes in the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

 

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CAST

Really, this is where Darkseid truly separates himself.

Indeed, as a New God and ruler of Apokolips, Darkseid has a colorful cast of characters.

From Desaad, to Granny Goodness, the Female Furies, and his immediate family like his uncle Steppenwolf.

During Jack Kirby’s Fourth World, the cast exemplified the type of cosmic opera that the New Gods can be.

CAST

Tragically, Thanos has remained a solitary figure. As a space conqueror, he has assembled the Black Order and conquered civilizations.

In Infinity, he comes to Earth looking for his Inhuman son Thane.

Despite his power, the Mad Titan has often had poor advisors that sought to dethrone him.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Darkseid has had God in Heaven or Abstracts in the Nil, namely the Monitors, as his quality opponents.

Though it occurred off-panel, Darkseid successfully waged war on Heaven and gained the Anti-Life Equation.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

Unfortunately, Marvel: The End is non-canon. At the same time, with the IG Thanos has successfully conquered the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

VILLAINY

In this department, Darkseid figures as pure evil. First, with the Omega Effect he can erase and resurect life.

Second, with the ALE, he can erase free will. Finally, Darkseid constantly evolves into his True Form.

Let’s also add that Darkseid’s Desaad is an expert in torture and mind control.

VILLAINY

In reality, Thanos is psychotic.

Indeed, his lust for power has plagued him with a hubris that ultimately convinces him to be unfit for ultimate power.

In the end, we are assured Than conquers the Marvel Universe. But, Thanos seeks to be a God whereas Darkseid is a God.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

 

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POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

POPULARITY

Generally, Darkseid is more popular in the comic medium. In the Post-Crisis continuity, he boasts 456 Appearances.

However, Google Search Results yield 4,340,000 results.

POPULARITY

In order for Thanos to match his popularity, we must add the Disciple of Death’s 362 Appearances to his 139 Minor Appearances.

As the winner, Google Search Results yield  46,700,000 results.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

VERDICT:

Though Thanos is more popular and successful in sales, Darkseid is a classic villain who seeks to re-fashion the DC multiverse in his image. Tie.

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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos!

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

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Darkseid vs Thanos in DC Versus Marvel (1996).

In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities.

In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!

In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?

Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel.

At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse.

At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.

So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.

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FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy.

For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful.

Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength.

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With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.

On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.

With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

2. INTELLIGENCE

In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe.

As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems.

In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.

Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.

Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with.

Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

 

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3. PREPARATION

In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them.

Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.

In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed.

In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

4. POWER

Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes.

At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.

On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse.

More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!

In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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5. LEADERSHIP

Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis.

With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.

In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles.

Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.

Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

FORMIDABILITY SCORES

Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%

SCORE: 79

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY:

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VERDICT:

Darkseid with the ALE is an Abstract in the DC multiverse. Thanos with IG is the Supreme Being of the Marvel universe.

Darkseid wins.

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Super Power: True Form Darkseid Can Destroy The DC Multiverse

 

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IN THE MULTIVERSITY MAP, THERE IS ONLY ONE DARKSEID

The Multiversity map. AP Photo/DC Comics.

From a thread on Quora, there is an explanation about the Multiversity map:

Darkseid is a Multiversal being.

In DC Comics the Multiverse is made up of spheres.

The center of the Multiverse is the Rock of Eternity (nexus of all magic in the Multiverse) and the House of Heroes.

Then we got the Bleed. The Bleed is split between two layers. Upper and lower.

In the Upper layer you got the 52 Main Universes.

In the Lower layer you got a near infinite number of universes. Each universe exploring all the timelines that could were, could be, and still can be. So a really unimaginable number of universes.

The Barrier that splits all those Universes from the Sphere of the Gods (where Darkseid lives) is the Speed Force. The Sphere of the Gods envelopes all those universes I mentioned before.

And for those gods a universe can be as big as a sphere you can hold in your hand, or a bubble you can pop.

Above that Sphere theres the Monitor Sphere, home of the Prime Monitor that is the one that decides which universe is risen to the upper layer of the Bleed, when a main universe is destroyed.

-Is Darkseid a multiversal being (one being existing in all multiverses at the same time) or a single being who has different versions of himself throughout the multiverse?, Quora

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AVATAR CREATION

In 'New Gods' (1997) #15, an avatar of Darkseid appears in the Source Wall.
In ‘New Gods’ (1997) #15, an avatar of Darkseid appears in the Source Wall. AP Photo/DC Comics.

In ‘New Gods’ (1997) #15, Darkseid and Highfather are trapped on the Source Wall. In order to communicate with Vykin the Black, Darkseid sends an avatar of himself. Each avatar possesses a fraction of Darkseid’s nigh-infinite power.

SPHERE OF THE GODS

Because Darkseid lives in the Sphere of the Gods, beyond the DC multiverse, there is only one true form Darkseid.

Though since Final Crisis, there have been multiple origins of Darkseid when the multiverse was reborn, the other versions of Darkseid that have entered the DC multiverse, are merely avatars. In “What is Darkseid’s True Form?”, Fiction Horizon goes over the concept of avatars.

In The Multiversity Guidebook, the Highfather, also a New God and Darkseid’s brother, states that each reality – past, present and future – has its own version (avatar) of Darkseid. This means that Darkseid is actually an omnipresent, non-corporeal being fragmented so that he can be present in every possible reality.

As far as we know, only actual multiversal deities (The Presence in DC Comics and The One Above All in Marvel) and Dr. Manhattan have these abilities, which would put Darkseid – his true form, that is – very high on the list of the most powerful beings in the history of comic books.

 

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In ‘Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey’ (1994) #1, as Doomsday beats down the mighty Darkseid! AP Photo/DC Comics.

In ‘Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey’ (1994) #1, Cyborg Superman guides Doomsday to Apokolips who arrives by cargo ship.

Programmed by Cyborg Superman, Doomsday destroys Apokolips’ army. Eventually, Darkseid must take direct action and intervene.

During the battle, Doomsday delivers a painful beatdown on Apokolips’ monarch.

Though there is debate that the Darkseid version Doomsday defeated was an avatar, writer Dan Jurgens seemed to confirm otherwise.

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In ‘Superman/Batman’ (2004) #13, Superman is angry at the death of Kara Zor-El and battles Darkseid. AP Photo/DC Comics.

In the “Supergirl from Krypton” storyline, it is hinted that the Darkseid that Superman imprisoned on the Source Wall at the end of the battle was an avatar.

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TRUE FORM DARKSEID CAN DESTROY THE DC MULTIVERSE

In “Final Crisis,” Darkseid reveals his true form. AP Photo/DC Comics.

“Final Crisis” reveals true form Darkseid. At the end of “Death of the New Gods”, the battle between New Genesis and Apokolips invades Heaven. Evil wins the battle, Darkseid armed with the Anti-Life Equation and the New Gods fall to Earth.

Known as Boss Dark Side of the Dark Side Club, he orchestrates the ALE going live on the Internet creating a singularity that threatens to send New Earth to Hell, dragged the whole DC multiverse past, present and future with it.

What the storyline shows is that true form Darkseid is a concept of pure Evil, the God of Evil, that threatens to destroy the DC multiverse. So what is true form Darkseid? True form Darkseid is the Anti-Life Equation erasing free will from the DC multiverse.

TRUE FORM DARKSEID IMPOSES THE ALE ON NEW EARTH

In ‘Final Crisis’ (2008) #5, true form Darkseid imposes the ALE on Earth. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

At Bludhaven, true form Darkseid is finally triumphant! With a half of the human population under his control, he has imposed the ALE on Earth.

As the Doomsday Singularity drags Earth to Hell the Fifth World is finally born.

TRUE FORM DARKSEID DESTROYS THE ENTIRE DC MULTIVERSE

In ‘Final Crisis’ (2009) #7, true form Darkseid with ALE is dragging the whole DC multiverse to Hell, except for the JLA Watchtower. AP Photo/DC Comics.

True form Darkseid is a Multiversal Level threat. In ‘Final Crisis’ (2009) #7, true form Darkseid destroyed the entire DC multiverse past, present and future.

As the Doomsday Singularity drags the Earths to Hell, the heroes work on the JLA Watchtower on the construction of the 31st century Miracle Machine.

Indeed, it is the only weapon capable to reverse the effects of the Anti-Life Equation and restore the DC multiverse.

FEAT OF THE DAY: IN ‘INFINITE FRONTIER’ #0, TRUE FORM DARKSEID KILLS THE QUINTESSENCE IN A SURPRISE ATTACK

In ‘Infinite Frontier’ (2021) #0, titled “Infinite Frontier”, freed, true form Darkseid attacks and kills the Quintessence and Spectre. AP Photo/DC Comics.

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Is Darkseid a multiversal being (one being existing in all multiverses at the same time) or a single being who has different versions of himself throughout the multiverse? in Quora.
New Gods Vol 4 15 in DC Database.
What is Darkseid’s True Form? in FICTION HORIZON.
Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey Vol 1 1 in DC Database.
Superman/Batman Vol 1 13 in DC Database.
Final Crisis Vol 1 5 in DC Database.
Final Crisis Vol 1 7 in DC Database.
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Darkseid: How DC’s Darkest New God Reached His Final Form in CBR.com.