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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos!

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL


DEATH BATTLE!

IN SUPERVILLAINS

THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
Darkseid vs Thanos in DC Versus Marvel (1996).

In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities. In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!

In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?

Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel. At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse. At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.

So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.

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FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy. For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful. Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength. At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.

With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.

On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.

With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

2. INTELLIGENCE

In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe. As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems. In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.

Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.

Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with. Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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3. PREPARATION

In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them. Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.

In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed. In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

4. POWER

Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes. At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.

On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse. More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!

In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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5. LEADERSHIP

Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis. With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.

In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles. Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.

Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

FORMIDABILITY SCORES

Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%

SCORE: 79

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY:

METAHUMAN

VERDICT:

Darkseid with the ALE is an Abstract in the DC multiverse. Thanos with IG is the Supreme Being of the Marvel universe.

Darkseid wins.

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REFERENCES

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DC vs Marvel: On His Worst Behaviour, Ra’s Al Ghul Blackmails Kingpin With Vanessa’s Cancer To Sink New York

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra's Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC.
 

DC VS MARVEL

Writer(s)

J.M. DeMatteis


Penciler(s)

Graham Nolan


Publisher

Marvel Comics/DC Comics


Publication Date

January 1997

IN TEAM-UPS AND CROSSOVERS

TALIA AL GHUL AND KINGPIN MAKE A DEAL

In Batman and Spider-Man (1997) #1, Kingpin makes a deal with Talia Al Ghul. On Earth-7642, Kingpin and Talia’s organization have been working together. For months, they have been assisting each other’s operations, increasing wealth. But, Talia continues to keep her organization’s head a secret. Strangely, she proposes to import cargo into New York without customs’ interference.

Visibly, Kingpin reveals the terrorist organization’s plan to extend its operations to NYC. Angrily, Fisk declines her proposition. However, Talia offers to cure Vanessa Fisk’s cancer. Outside, Batman is spying on the criminals with goggles. Suddenly, Spider-Man comes in and shares intel. When Spider-Man questions if Talia works for a crime cartel, Batman says no. After a brief scuffle, both superheroes agree to work together.

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Talia Al Ghul proposes to cure Vanessa Fisk's cancer.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Talia Al Ghul proposes to cure Vanessa Fisk’s cancer. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

BATMAN AND SPIDER-MAN SHAKE HANDS

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Batman and Spider-Man shake hands.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Batman and Spider-Man shake hands. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

KINGPIN MUST ENTER SATELLITE CODES TO SINK NYC IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ANTIDOTE

Surreptitiously, Ra’s Al Ghul lures Kingpin into his lair in Nanda Parbat, Tibet. There, Kingpin learns that Ra’s is long-lived. In fact, the secret of his longevity is the Lazarus Pit. Surprisingly, Ra’s Al Ghul blackmails the Kingpin in order to cure Vanessa’s cancer. In exchange, Kingpin must swear allegiance to Ra’s, the new leader of the world. As a test, Kingpin must punch in the satellite codes to activate devices that will sink NYC.

At that moment, Spider-Man storms into the cave. Violently, a fight follows with Ra’s men. Interestingly, Ra’s senses “The Detective” is not far behind.1 Summarily, the eco-terrorist orders Kingpin to punch the code. When he does, the satellite explodes. Then, it is revealed that Wilson Fisk re-programmed the satellite. Previously, he had amassed a “formidable dossier” on Ra’s in addition to “schematics on his stronghold and operating systems.”1

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra's Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra’s Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

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In fact, Batman reveals Ra’s Al Ghul manipulated the Kingpin. In reality, the demon caused Vanessa’s cancer to lure Fisk into his plan. When Kingpin found out, he joined forces with Batman. Furthermore, Batman and Spider-Man boarded Fisk’s plane to Tibet. Visibly amused, Ra’s proposes to let the heroes to walk out alive. Even, he offers them transport.

Really, Spider-Man is surprised at Ra’s arrogance. But Batman states the heroes should accept their victory and leave. In fact, none of them would leave alive if Ra’s wanted to. Resolutely, Fisk asks for the antidote to his wife’s cancer. Shockingly, Ra’s lies that there is no antidote. Privately, Talia tells Batman she chooses to both love him and be at his father’s side. In secret, she commissions the antidote to Batman. Finally, Batman gives the antidote to Spider-Man, who delivers it to Fisk.

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Spider-Man delivers the antidote to Vanessa's cancer to Wilson Fisk.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Spider-Man delivers the antidote to Vanessa’s cancer to Wilson Fisk. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

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REFERENCES

Batman and Spider-Man Vol 1 1 in Marvel Database.
Earth-7642 in Marvel Database.

FOOTNOTES

  1. Batman and Spider-Man #1.