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DC vs Marvel: Doomsday, The Ultimate vs The Incredible Hulk

 

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FORMIDABILITY SCORES

H/P DOOMSDAY
Strength Class: Boundless 100%
Weaknesses: Universal Forces 92%
Quality Opponents: Skyfather 92%
Limitations: Intelligence 42%

SCORE: 72

FORMIDABILITY:

METAHUMAN

IMMORTAL HULK
Strength Class: Boundless 100%
Weaknesses: Divine Enchantment 100%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 96

FORMIDABILITY:

COSMIC

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In today’s article, we compare two fighters that are the cream of the crop in terms of strength, power, rage… and yes, fighting!

Incredibly, let’s introduce the battle to end all battles: Doomsday, the Ultimate vs The Incredible Hulk. Though these two monsters have yet to face in a crossover, fans have salivated at the thought of a vicious brawl.

Really, both are an A-list hero and a B-list villain in their respective universes. Namely, the legendary Doomsday is famous for being the monster who killed Superman. For his part, Hulk is the Strongest Avenger and only keeps getting stronger.

Though both monsters have evolved multiple forms, let’s compare their strength in terms of their strongest power levels. Hence, we compare Hunter/Prey (HP) Doomsday with Immortal Hulk (IMH).

FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy.

For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful.

Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two heroes, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the hero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Weaknesses, Quality Opponents and Limitations. At the top, you can check their Formidability Scores. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

 

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1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, both H/P Doomsday and IMH possess a Boundless-Level of Super Strength. As matter of fact, this means they have an infinite amount of Super-Strength and can become as strong as necessary.

In the case of H/P Doomsday, his Super Strength is more properly speaking a form of Reactive Evolution and Resurrection. In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey (1994) #1, after Darkseid fells Doomsday with his Omega Effect, Doomsday come back to life.

When Doomsday comes back to life, he evolves an adaptation to Darkseid’s Omega Effect which can no longer harm him. And what we estimate to be a Universal-Level of Super-Strength. Theoretically, there is no upper limit to his Super-Strength.

On the other hand, Immortal Hulk, also has the novel power of Resurrection. In fact, he theoretically cannot die. Or in better words, he resurrects from every death. In the first issue, IMH resurrects from a gunshot wound to the head and finds he can smell lies.

In effect, IMH is immortal and can only be killed by the being who is the source of his power, the One-Below-All. Really, Immortal Hulk has Boundless Super-Strength since he can defeat Gods or Abstracts.

ADVANTAGE: TIE

2. WEAKNESSES

For the most part, Doomsday’s weakness is properly speaking Universal Forces. In the comic, Doomsday is felled by Darkseid’s Omega Effect. Because of the OE’s powers and its relation to the chaotic side of the Source, the Omega Effect is certainly a power of entropy.

Really, the only way to defeat H/P Doomsday is to subject him to the powers of entropy. At the end of the comic, Superman transports Doomsday to the end of the universe with Waverider’s help, ending his murderous rampage.

In some sense, Immortal Hulk is protected by a Divine Enchantment. As a host of the One-Below-All, who rules Hell, he comes back from every death. Though he can be wounded, pierced and even killed, he always resurrects. Effectively, his Weakness lasts as long as the Divine Enchantment.

Generally, though both warriors are evenly matched in strength, IMH may lack the specific power necessary to finally overcome H/P Doomsday’s onslaught. As Doomsday evolves, he may land the killing blow that severes his connection to the Green Door.

ADVANTAGE: IMMORTAL HULK

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3. QUALITY OPPONENTS

Generally, Immortal Hulk has a decisive advantage in this department. Over a more developed series, IMH faces multiple opponents such as Sasquatch, the Avengers and even the One-Below-All.

In Immortal Hulk Vol 1 13, Immortal Hulk faces the One-Below-All and his horde of monsters in Hell. Importantly, he has to deal with his father who disowns him as a child of evil. Decisively, Hulk swats him away dispersing at the same time, the One-Below-All.

In the Marvel hierarchy, the One-Above-All, is the God of the Marvel Multiverse. Oppositely, the One-Below-All is below and is unthinking monster that needs gamma-ray powered hosts in the Marvel multiverse.

Certainly, IMH’s Quality Opponents are God or Abstract-Level.

ADVANTAGE: IMMORTAL HULK

 

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4. LIMITATIONS

Though H/P Doomsday is more limited due to his lack of intelligence, his Boundless Super-Strength, Reactive Evolution, Resurrection and Universal-Level Durability make up for them.

For his part, IMH is only limited by his Power Dependency as a gamma-ray host of One-Below-All.

In general, since both characters are monsters, Intelligence is not an isssue.

ADVANTAGE: IMMORTAL HULK

VERDICT:

Though Immortal Hulk is more powerful and can defeat a God or Abstract, the outcome is either a stalemate or a win for Doomsday who can only be defeated by entropy.

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DC vs Marvel: Lex Luthor vs Doctor Doom, Who Is The Better Villain? (Comics, TV and Film)

 

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DEATH BATTLE!

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THE SMARTEST HUMANS AT DC AND MARVEL

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In January, we ranked the formidabilities in a potential Darkseid vs Thanos battle. And we looked at the characters in continuity at their highest powers: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation.

In February, we compared both characters to find out who is the better villain. Now, this month, we compare two other A-list villains at DC and Marvel to find out who is the better villain.

At DC and Marvel, Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom are definitely the two smartest humans in their respective universes. For his part, Lex Luthor has planned world domination while Doctor Doom has conquered the power of God on multiple occasions.

To this end, we have come up with a villainy score that compares both characters in eight categories: Sales, Origin Story, Character Evolution, Cast, Quality Opponents, Villainy, Power, Popularity. Before we compare our villains let’s list some rules.

  1. The Villainy Score is rated out of 8 points.
  2. For Doctor Doom, we list only the Earth-616 continuity and for Lex Luthor Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth.
  3. Since we are comparing Sales and Popularity, we include the villains’ performance in other media and their Google Search Results.
  4. For Power, we list their highest achievements across Earth-616, Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth continuities.

So, let’s compare Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom in the villainy department.

 

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VILLAINY SCORES

Lex Luthor. DC Comics.

VILLAINY SCORE: 5

SALES

For sales, Lex Luthor outperforms Doctor Doom. In the comic medium, it appears the Metropolis businessman lags behind the Baron of Iron.

In 2005, Lex Luthor: The Man of Steel #1 ranked 38 in unit sales on the Top Comics of March 2005. At the same time, Lex Luthor performs very well as POTUS in Our Worlds at War whose first issue ranked 19th in unit sales and sold 59157 issues on the Top Comics of July 2001.

In animation, Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League Unlimited have created the best portrayals of Lex Luthor. And to this day, Michael Rosenbaum remains the most celebrated version of Lex Luthor with Smallville. And the Total Estimated Domestic Video Sales for the series is $151,375,254.

In the movie department, the controversial Batman v Superman movie still gave us a more significant live-action adaptation than Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Overall, BvS earned $855 million internationally.

Doctor Doom. Marvel Comics.

VILLAINY SCORE: 3

SALES

Though Doctor Doom stars in more event comics with prominent roles, he performs less than his counterpart in the different media.

In 1984, Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars ranked as Marvel’s first company-wide crossover event and the top-selling comic year-long with 250000 copies sold. In 2015, Doctor Doom becomes God-doom in Secret Wars whose first issue ranked 1st in unit sales with 527618 sold on the Top Comics of May 2015.

With animation, the Spider-Man: The Animated Series and The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes have created the best portrayals of Doom. However, very few portrayals have had the lasting impact that his counterpart has had.

In the movie department, the controversial live-action adaptation of Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was not successful. Overall, FF earned $289,480,691 internationally.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

 

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ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In many respects, Lex Luthor is definitely one of the most interesting character at DC Comics.

Post-Crisis, his motivations have centered on either destroying Superman’s reputation or besting him through his lackeys. What makes Lex Luthor work is that he genuinely believes himself to be humanity’s savior by virtue of his superior intelligence.

During Dark Nights: Death Metal, Lex may have finally become good. In fact, he proved why he is the smartest human in the DC multiverse by creating the weapon in the World Forge that created Truth Incarnate Wonder Woman.

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In addition, Doctor Doom has shown he is Marvel’s Greatest Villain. Really, during the first Secret Wars, he stole Beyonder’s power becoming the Supreme Being of the Universe.

Similarly, Doom believes himself to be humanity’s savior. In Doomwar, he has beheld a potential future where he is Earth’s ruler.

However, like other Marvel villains, Doctor Doom ultimately knows he is not fit for ultimate power. Hence, his flaw proves his undoing in the end.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

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CAST

Really, this is where Lex Luthor truly separates himself.

Indeed, as a businessman and the smartest man on DC Earth, Lex Luthor has proven a better leader. In fact, he showed how an A-list supervillain can legally become the President of the United States.

From Lexcorp, to the Injustice Gang, to the United States, even Darkseid and Perpetua, Lex Luthor is an expert at making deals.

During Our Worlds At War, he won even Superman to his cause in order to stop Imperiex.

CAST

Tragically, Doctor Doom has remained a conflicted figure. As a conqueror and world leader, he leads the sovereign nation of Latveria.

Incredibly, Doom commands a religious following and his people actually love him.

In addition, he has sought companionship often in treacherous ways though he has remained single-minded. Effortlessly, Doom could conquer the world, however, it would take manipulation and deception.

During Avengers: Emperor Doom, Doctor Doom realizes that world conquest is an illusion.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Luthor is at a disadvantage. Indeed, most of his opponents are Cosmic Beings.

At the same time, Justice League: Darkseid War showed Lex Luthor can take on Gods or Abstracts.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Doctor Doom more or less ties Lex Luthor in this department.

Secret Wars showed that Doom’s Quality Opponents are properly Gods or Abstracts. In fact, Beyonder may be the God of the Marvel multiverse.

ADVANTAGE: TIE

VILLAINY

In this department, Lex Luthor may have foreshadowed the greatest evil. However, his humanity shows he can be redeemed.

With the Worlogog, Lex Luthor created an alternate future where Darkseid imposed the Anti-Life Equation on DC Earth. In a sense, this may have contributed to Final Crisis.

In Dark Nights Metal, Luthor joined forces with Perpetua who re-made the multiverse in her image. However, he redeemed himself by supplying the weapon for Truth Incarnate Wonder Woman’s victory.

VILLAINY

In this department, Doctor Doom is pure evil. In fact, he cannot be redeemed. Indeed, his faith in magic is only a masquerade for his lust for power.

In Doomwar, Doom used the purple Man to possess the will of all humans on Earth. On mutiple occasions, his lust for power caused him to steal the power of the Silver Surfer, the Watcher and Galactus.

In Secret Wars, GodDoom rules Battleworld having stolen the Beyonders’ powers. Even here, Doom’s inner darkness makes him a powerful villain.

ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

POWER

With his Universal-Level Strength Class, Lex Luthor with the Omega Effect in Darkseid War has a score of 71.5. Though his lack of Teamwork with the JLA limits his potential. His Formidability rating is Metahuman.

To note, Lex Luthor with the Omega Effect is less powerful than Darkseid with the ALE. Which explains how he could not defeat Anti-Monitor. In fact, it takes the ALE to stand a chance though AM is at least as powerful as Darkseid with ALE.

SCORE: 71.5

FORMIDABILITY: METAHUMAN

Strength Class: Universal 84%
Weaknesses: None 100%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Teamwork 67%

POWER

Though God-Doom in Secret Wars is Nigh-omnipotent in Strength Class, his Hubris and Power Dependency on Molecule Man, give him a score of 71. His Formidability rating is Metahuman.

To note, God-Doom is about as formidable as Thanos with the IG. Which explains how Black Panther was able to go toe to toe with him in Secret Wars (2016) #9. Though Doctor Doom was likely toying with him.

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY: METAHUMAN

Strength Class: Nigh-Omnipotence 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

 

POPULARITY

Generally, Lex Luthor is more popular in the comic medium. In the Post-Crisis continuity alone, he boasts 789 Appearances.

However, Google Search Results yield 12,500,000 results.

POPULARITY

In order for Doctor Doom to match his popularity, we must add the Baron of Iron’s 841 Appearances to his 218 Minor Appearances.

As the winner, Google Search Results yield  98,100,000 results.

ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

VERDICT:

Though Doctor Doom operates on a higher scale, Lex Luthor proves to be equally intelligent and a far more human villain.

Lex Luthor wins.

And that’s our ranking!

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DC vs Marvel: In The ‘JLA/Avengers’ Crossover, The Formidable JLA vs The Mighty Avengers

 

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“A CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS”

JLA/Avengers. DC Comics.

In honor of George Perez, let’s look at a classic DC/Marvel crossover.

Furthermore, our top-rated Formidability Ranking uses four central Fighting Skills to settle the debate.

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In the classic inter-company crossover JLA/Avengers (2004), both super-teams assemble to take on a threat that threatens the Omniverse. Particularly, the series was so successful that the JLA: Syndicate Rules established the crossover to be canon to the New Earth continuity.

In contests of champions, the Grandmaster and Metron task both teams with the responsibility to assemble six items of power from each universe.

Namely, from the DC Universe: Green Lantern’s Power Battery, the Book of Eternity, the Orb of Ra, the items of the Demons Three, the Spear of Destiny and Psycho Pirate’s Medusa Mask.

From the Marvel Universe: the Ultimate Nullifier, the Evil Eye of Avalon, the Infinity Gems, the Cosmic Cube, the Casket of Ancient Winters and the Wand of Watoomb.

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In JLA/Avengers #2, the Leaguers are leading 6-5. In a titanic clash, the JLA and the Avengers face off for the Cosmic Cube. On Savage Land, a knock-out drag-out slugfest follows. Let’s rank the main contestants in the battle in terms of the Power Hierarchy.

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QUALITY OPPONENTS

Generally, our formidability takes into account a character’s quality of opponents. Using this hierarchy, we can formulate a Power Hierarchy. Namely, it is the following:

Peak Human, Assassin, Metahuman, Criminal Mastermind/Team-Wrecker, Warrior, Hi-Tech Genius/Enhanced, Political Leader, Demon or Monster/Supernatural Being, Champion, Cosmic Being, Skyfather, God or Abstract.

Before we rank the JLA and Avengers, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, only beings below God or Abstract are included. God or Abstract include Galactus, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Beyonder, One-Above-All.
  2. Since we focus on battles, we will go by power levels.
  3. We are rating power levels only in issue #2.
  4. Since only the major battles are included, not all members of both teams are included.

Let’s rank our JLA and Avengers.

The Cosmic Beings

SUPERMAN

Power Hierarchy: Cosmic Being 83%

SUPERMAN IS A COSMIC BEING

Really, Superman‘s power levels are off the charts in the issue.

To this end, he ranks as Cosmic Being because he stops Thor’s hammer strike with his left hand.

In fact, it takes at least a Cosmic Being in order to bypass the enchantment on Thor’s Mjolnir.

Potentially, Superman could solo the Avengers team.

Indeed, it takes Hercules, Iron Man, She-Hulk, Wonder Man and Vision to put down the Man of Steel at the end of the fight.

THOR

Power Hierarchy: Champion 75%

THOR IS A CHAMPION

Really, Thor faces one of his toughest battles. First, he wades through a powerful blast of heat vision.

After Superman caught Mjolnir, he knocks him out with a powerful haymaker. Indeed, he is overwhelmed by Superman’s sheer power.

Generally, Thor ranks as a Champion since he is at least as powerful as the Avengers team.

ZATANNA

Power Hierarchy: Cosmic Being 83%

Both Zatanna and Scarlet Witch are amped by Chaos Magic.

Effectively, they are Cosmic Beings with powers of teleportation, nigh omniscience and reality-warping.

SCARLET WITCH

Power Hierarchy: Cosmic Being 83%

Both Zatanna and Scarlet Witch are amped by Chaos Magic.

Effectively, they are Cosmic Beings with powers of teleportation, nigh omniscience and reality-warping.

GREEN LANTERN

Power Hierarchy: Cosmic Being 83%

In their first match-up, Green Lantern had Photon on the ropes. As matter of fact, he caged her up in a construct.

In their second match, Photon is absorbing the Oan energy from his power ring. Fortunately, he is saved by Captain Atom.

Generally, Green Lantern is a Champion. However, he upgrades to Cosmic Being after he absorbs the energy of the Cosmic Cube.

And had he succeeded, the JLA woud have had a clean victory.

CAPTAIN MARVEL

Power Hierarchy: Champion 75%

To begin, Monica Rambeau has the power of converting her body into any energy in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Really, she is a Champion on the Avengers team and can take on any one.

Likely, she needs to adapt to the type of energy and has a limit to how much EM energy she can absorb.

Nonetheless, she is among the mightiest on the Avengers team.

The Champions

WONDER WOMAN

Power Hierarchy: Champion 75%

So far, Wonder Woman has shown she can defeat multiple Avengers. At first, she faces Hercules, Wasp and Yellowjacket.

Later, after Superman and Thor are defeated, she knocks down Yellowjacket.

Generally, Wonder Woman is a Champion in the Power Hierarchy.

GIANT MAN

Power Hierarchy: Enhanced 50%

First, Yellowjacket shrinks down to size and attacks Wonder Woman with the other Avengers.

Then, he delivers a powerful blow at increased size when Thor falls. However, Wonder Woman soon overpowers him.

With the Pym Particles, Yellowjacket is Enhanced in the Power Hierarchy.

AQUAMAN

Power Hierarchy: Champion 75%

In one instant, Aquaman defeats multiple Avengers with a sea monster.

Generally, Aquaman is a Champion in the Power Hierarchy.

AVENGERS

Power Hierarchy: Supernatural Being 67%

Generally, the Avengers add up to Hercules‘ power level, which is Supernatural Being in the Power Hierarchy.

The Peak Humans

GREEN ARROW

Power Hierarchy: Peak Human 8%

In the battle, Green Arrow and Hawkeye are in a stand-off. Though, in the end, Green Arrow has the advantage with Captain America’s help.

Generally, Green Arrow is a Peak Human in the Power Hierarchy.

HAWKEYE

Power Hierarchy: Peak Human 8%

In the battle, Green Arrow and Hawkeye are in a stand-off. Though, in the end, Captain America orders Hawkeye to stand down.

Generally, Hawkeye is a Peak Human in the Power Hierarchy.

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VERDICT:

With help, the JLA won a virtual victory and the Avengers actually tied the score.

Really, lacking Flash’s Speed Force and the Avengers at full strength, the JLA are stacked with three Cosmic Beings and two Champions.

Generally, the underdog Avengers even things with better teamwork and preparation.

JLA wins a difficult fight.

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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid or Thanos, Who Is The Better Villain? (And First Appearance)

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL

DEATH BATTLE!

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THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'

Last month, we ranked the formidabilities in a potential Darkseid vs Thanos battle. And we looked at the characters in continuity at their highest powers: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation.

Now, this month, we look at who between both A-list villains is the better villain.

To this end, we have come up with a villainy score that compares both characters in eight categories: Sales, Origin Story, Character Evolution, Cast, Quality Opponents, Villainy, Power, Popularity. Before we compare our villains let’s list some rules.

  1. The Villainy Score is rated out of 8 points.
  2. For Thanos, we list only the Earth-616 continuity and for Darkseid Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth.
  3. Since we are comparing Sales and Popularity, we include the villains’ performance in other media and their Google Search Results.
  4. For Power, we list their highest achievements across Earth-616, Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth continuities.

So, let’s compare Darkseid and Thanos in the villainy department.

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VILLAINY SCORES

Darkseid.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

For sales, Darkseid lags behind Thanos. In the comic medium, it appears the God of Evil is selling top dollar. In 2009, Final Crisis ranked 14 on the Top Comics of the year with an estimated 127,000 units sold.

Later, in 2020, the Justice League Dark: Apokolips War animated film made $5,474,989 in Total Estimated Domestic Video Sales. In the movie department, the success of Zack Snyder’s Justice League is not sufficient to overcome the Disney juggernaut.

Thanos.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

Though Thanos does not have Darkseid’s level of presence in comics and animation, with fewer comic appearances than Darkseid overall.

At the same time, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has made the villain a pop icon. Together, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame have brought in about $4.8 billion worldwide.

Likely, this is more than the revenue of all the movies in the DCEU combined.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

ORIGIN STORY

In some respects, Darkseid’s origin story has been changed over DC continuity.

Post-Crisis, he was Prince Uxas who killed his brother Drax and claimed the Omega Effect. In the New 52, Darkseid was a peasant who ascended to the throne of Apokolips.

For the most part, the New God’s story deserved to be more known.

ORIGIN STORY

Really, Thanos’ origin story is better known. In true Marvel fashion, he is given a character flaw.

Namely, being a Deviant among the perfect Eternals of Titan. For the most part, this explains his descent into villainy. And his affection for the embodiment of Death.

Definitely, he is more fleshed out in his motivations.

 

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ADVANTAGE: THANOS

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In many respects, both characters have evolved over the years. Namely, it took Darkseid millennia before finally obtaining the ALE.

In the New 52, Darkseid was conquering the DC multiverse, killing versions of Superman in order to find the ALE and Grail.

After Infinite Frontier, DC Comics revealed True Form Darkseid.

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In addition, Thanos has evolved speedily. Once a third rate villain, he arose to prominence with the conquest of the Cosmic Cube.

Then, he set his sights on the Infinity Gauntlet. Post-IG, the Mad Titan attempted a path of redemption.

However, Thanos Wins revealed a possible future where the villain has eliminated all the heroes in the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

 

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CAST

Really, this is where Darkseid truly separates himself.

Indeed, as a New God and ruler of Apokolips, Darkseid has a colorful cast of characters.

From Desaad, to Granny Goodness, the Female Furies, and his immediate family like his uncle Steppenwolf.

During Jack Kirby’s Fourth World, the cast exemplified the type of cosmic opera that the New Gods can be.

CAST

Tragically, Thanos has remained a solitary figure. As a space conqueror, he has assembled the Black Order and conquered civilizations.

In Infinity, he comes to Earth looking for his Inhuman son Thane.

Despite his power, the Mad Titan has often had poor advisors that sought to dethrone him.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Darkseid has had God in Heaven or Abstracts in the Nil, namely the Monitors, as his quality opponents.

Though it occurred off-panel, Darkseid successfully waged war on Heaven and gained the Anti-Life Equation.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

Unfortunately, Marvel: The End is non-canon. At the same time, with the IG Thanos has successfully conquered the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

VILLAINY

In this department, Darkseid figures as pure evil. First, with the Omega Effect he can erase and resurect life.

Second, with the ALE, he can erase free will. Finally, Darkseid constantly evolves into his True Form.

Let’s also add that Darkseid’s Desaad is an expert in torture and mind control.

VILLAINY

In reality, Thanos is psychotic.

Indeed, his lust for power has plagued him with a hubris that ultimately convinces him to be unfit for ultimate power.

In the end, we are assured Than conquers the Marvel Universe. But, Thanos seeks to be a God whereas Darkseid is a God.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

 

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POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

POPULARITY

Generally, Darkseid is more popular in the comic medium. In the Post-Crisis continuity, he boasts 456 Appearances.

However, Google Search Results yield 4,340,000 results.

POPULARITY

In order for Thanos to match his popularity, we must add the Disciple of Death’s 362 Appearances to his 139 Minor Appearances.

As the winner, Google Search Results yield  46,700,000 results.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

VERDICT:

Though Thanos is more popular and successful in sales, Darkseid is a classic villain who seeks to re-fashion the DC multiverse in his image. Tie.

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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos!

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL

DEATH BATTLE!

IN SUPERVILLAINS

THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
Darkseid vs Thanos in DC Versus Marvel (1996).

In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities.

In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!

In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?

Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel.

At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse.

At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.

So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.

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FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy.

For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful.

Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength.

At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.

With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.

On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.

With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

2. INTELLIGENCE

In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe.

As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems.

In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.

Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.

Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with.

Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

 

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3. PREPARATION

In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them.

Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.

In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed.

In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

4. POWER

Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes.

At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.

On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse.

More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!

In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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5. LEADERSHIP

Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis.

With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.

In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles.

Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.

Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

FORMIDABILITY SCORES

Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%

SCORE: 79

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY:

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VERDICT:

Darkseid with the ALE is an Abstract in the DC multiverse. Thanos with IG is the Supreme Being of the Marvel universe.

Darkseid wins.

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DC vs Marvel: On His Worst Behaviour, Ra’s Al Ghul Blackmails Kingpin With Vanessa’s Cancer To Sink New York

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra's Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC.
 

DC VS MARVEL

Writer(s)

J.M. DeMatteis


Penciler(s)

Graham Nolan


Publisher

Marvel Comics/DC Comics


Publication Date

January 1997

IN TEAM-UPS AND CROSSOVERS

TALIA AL GHUL AND KINGPIN MAKE A DEAL

In Batman and Spider-Man (1997) #1, Kingpin makes a deal with Talia Al Ghul. On Earth-7642, Kingpin and Talia’s organization have been working together. For months, they have been assisting each other’s operations, increasing wealth. But, Talia continues to keep her organization’s head a secret. Strangely, she proposes to import cargo into New York without customs’ interference.

Visibly, Kingpin reveals the terrorist organization’s plan to extend its operations to NYC. Angrily, Fisk declines her proposition. However, Talia offers to cure Vanessa Fisk’s cancer. Outside, Batman is spying on the criminals with goggles. Suddenly, Spider-Man comes in and shares intel. When Spider-Man questions if Talia works for a crime cartel, Batman says no. After a brief scuffle, both superheroes agree to work together.

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Talia Al Ghul proposes to cure Vanessa Fisk's cancer.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Talia Al Ghul proposes to cure Vanessa Fisk’s cancer. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

BATMAN AND SPIDER-MAN SHAKE HANDS

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Batman and Spider-Man shake hands.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Batman and Spider-Man shake hands. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

KINGPIN MUST ENTER SATELLITE CODES TO SINK NYC IN EXCHANGE FOR THE ANTIDOTE

Surreptitiously, Ra’s Al Ghul lures Kingpin into his lair in Nanda Parbat, Tibet. There, Kingpin learns that Ra’s is long-lived. In fact, the secret of his longevity is the Lazarus Pit. Surprisingly, Ra’s Al Ghul blackmails the Kingpin in order to cure Vanessa’s cancer. In exchange, Kingpin must swear allegiance to Ra’s, the new leader of the world. As a test, Kingpin must punch in the satellite codes to activate devices that will sink NYC.

At that moment, Spider-Man storms into the cave. Violently, a fight follows with Ra’s men. Interestingly, Ra’s senses “The Detective” is not far behind.1 Summarily, the eco-terrorist orders Kingpin to punch the code. When he does, the satellite explodes. Then, it is revealed that Wilson Fisk re-programmed the satellite. Previously, he had amassed a “formidable dossier” on Ra’s in addition to “schematics on his stronghold and operating systems.”1

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra's Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Ra’s Al Ghul tempts Kingpin to punch in satellite codes in order to sink NYC. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

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In fact, Batman reveals Ra’s Al Ghul manipulated the Kingpin. In reality, the demon caused Vanessa’s cancer to lure Fisk into his plan. When Kingpin found out, he joined forces with Batman. Furthermore, Batman and Spider-Man boarded Fisk’s plane to Tibet. Visibly amused, Ra’s proposes to let the heroes to walk out alive. Even, he offers them transport.

Really, Spider-Man is surprised at Ra’s arrogance. But Batman states the heroes should accept their victory and leave. In fact, none of them would leave alive if Ra’s wanted to. Resolutely, Fisk asks for the antidote to his wife’s cancer. Shockingly, Ra’s lies that there is no antidote. Privately, Talia tells Batman she chooses to both love him and be at his father’s side. In secret, she commissions the antidote to Batman. Finally, Batman gives the antidote to Spider-Man, who delivers it to Fisk.

In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Spider-Man delivers the antidote to Vanessa's cancer to Wilson Fisk.
In Batman And Spider-Man (1997) #1, Spider-Man delivers the antidote to Vanessa’s cancer to Wilson Fisk. Marvel Comics/DC Comics.

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FOOTNOTES

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DC vs Marvel: 5 Reasons Why Superman Is Stronger Than Hulk

 
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IN POWER LEVEL

SUPERMAN AND HULK HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR INFINITE STRENGTH

In 'Final Crisis: Superman Beyond' (2008) #1, Superman and Captain Marvel lift the Book of Limbo, a book with an infinite number of pages.
In ‘Final Crisis: Superman Beyond’ (2008) #1, Superman and Captain Marvel lift the Book of Limbo, a book with an infinite number of pages. DC Comics.

At DC and Marvel, Superman and Hulk are the top two powerhouses in terms of super strength. Previously, we showcased five feats where Superman demonstrated the potential for infinite super strength.

At the same time, Hulk has shown on many occasions feats of infinite power. To find out about Hulk’s time travel feat, visit THE Marvel Universe Strength Hierarchy Ranks The Top 10 Heroes And Villains By The Potential For Infinite Strength.

Over the years, flaming wars have raged over who is the stronger: the Last Son of Krypton or the Green Behemoth. Indeed, if Superman has near-limitless strength, the madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets.

Though they are in the same strength class, let’s list five reasons why Superman may be stronger.

 

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5 REASONS WHY SUPERMAN IS STRONGER THAN HULK

5. GREATER WILLPOWER

In Action Comics (1987) #589, Superman increases the GL energy beam by 20 percent with his willpower.
In Action Comics (1987) #589, Superman increases the GL energy beam by 20 percent with his willpower. DC Comics.

To begin, one of Superman’s greatest strengths in his fights is his willpower. Despite overwhelming odds, Superman never backs down but continues fighting.

Over the years, it has been explained that Superman has some of the strongest willpowers in the DC Universe.

At one point, Superman was a candidate to receive a Green Lantern ring. In Action Comics (1987) #589, Superman and the Green Lanterns fight a mount of dirt.

In an assault, Superman adds his willpower to the GL beams, increasing it by 20 percent.

Though Hulk also has unbelievable willpower. However, in most incarnations, he lacks the corresponding intelligence.

And in a battle against such a savage foe, willpower is everything.

4. STRONGER ENEMIES

In ‘Superman/Batman’ (2004) #13, Superman is angry at the death of Kara Zor-El and battles Darkseid.
In ‘Superman/Batman’ (2004) #13, Superman is angry at the death of Kara Zor-El and battles Darkseid. DC Comics.

Notably, this argument is debatable. Indeed, Hulk regularly meets with top-tier and cosmic-level foes.

Some of them include the U-Foes, Abomination, High Evolutionary, Silver Surfer, Thor, Sentry, Galaxy Master and even Marvel Zeus.

However, Hulk has suffered from low-quality opponents. Due to his baseline strength being lower, Hulk has had trouble with street-level opponents.

For example, Spider-Man once knocked out Hulk with a punch.

In the Post-Crisis continuity, Superman more often fights opponents in his strength class.

Many are Superman-level, but others like Darkseid, Brainiac 13, Fernus, Imperiex, Dominus and Mandrakk are Planetary, Universal to Multiversal-level threats.

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3. BETTER LIFTING FEATS

In 'Final Crisis: Superman Beyond' (2008) #1, Superman and Captain Marvel lift the Book of Limbo, a book with an infinite number of pages.
In ‘Final Crisis: Superman Beyond’ (2008) #1, Superman and Captain Marvel lift the Book of Limbo, a book with an infinite number of pages. DC Comics.

Perhaps, one department of super strength that truly separates Superman and Hulk is lifting feats.

Unquestionably, Hulk has better striking feats. In fact, his punches often explode with the force of bombs, or turn back time.

However, Superman may outclass Hulk in raw strength. On two occasions, he has pushed past the boundaries of infinity.

In Final Crisis: Superman Beyond (2008) #1, Superman and Captain Marvel/Shazam lift the Book of Limbo. Indeed, it contains infinite pages all occupying the same space.

On another occasion, Superman lifted eternity. In JLA/Spectre: Soul War (2003) #1, Superman and Wonder Woman lift Spectre.

2. SAVING THE DAY

In 'Justice League' (2019) #25, in a battle against the World Forger, Superman breaches the Sixth Dimension and shatters the Forger's Multiverse creation with a punch.
In ‘Justice League’ (2019) #25, in a battle against the World Forger, Superman breaches the Sixth Dimension and shatters the Forger’s Multiverse creation with a punch. DC Comics.

In Superman, The Greatest Story, I argue that Superman is the strongest hero. Both on the strength of his story and by feats.

What really makes Superman work, is that he is the quintessential American superhero. In fact, Superman always saves the day.

In part, it is due to his willpower. Also, it is due to his humanity. Indeed, proving that super strength is also a matter of determination.

Though, Hulk also is a superhero. However, he lacks at times his humanity. In fact, a factor that may mean life or death in a crisis.

 

1. BETTER FIGHTER

n Superman/Batman (2005) #23, Superman uses pressure points on a Kryptonite-Man-possessed Batman.
In Superman/Batman (2005) #23, Superman uses pressure points on a Kryptonite-Man-possessed Batman. DC Comics.

When it comes to fighting, both superheroes have had a bad reputation. Over the years, Hulk has been viewed as a mindless brute.

At the same time, Superman has often fought like a brawler. Generally, Superman is the better fighter.

Post-Crisis, he has received combat training from Mongul, Batman and Wonder Woman.

In Superman/Batman (2005) #23, Superman uses the pressure point technique against a Kryptonite-Man possessed Batman.

In addition, Superman has mastered the Infinite Mass Punch. Recently, in Rebirth, Superman performed the speedblitz on Doomsday.

Mike Habjan

LINKS

Final Crisis: Superman Beyond Vol 1 1 in DC Database.
Action Comics Vol 1 589 in DC Database.
Superman/Batman Vol 1 13 in DC Database.
JLA/The Spectre: Soul War Vol 1 1 in DC Database.
Justice League Vol 4 25 in DC Database.
Superman/Batman Vol 1 23 in DC Database.