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Super Power: How Hulk and Thing Match in Super Strength (Film, TV and Comics)

 

SUPER POWER

In The Incredible Hulk (1971) #135, Hulk performs a super strength feat. Hulk punches through time to World War I. Marvel Comics.

IN GODS, MONSTERS AND INFINITE POWER

HULK AND THING ARE MARVEL’S TWO STRONGEST MONSTERS

In 1962, Marvel comics features its historic first crossover between its characters. In Fantastic Four (1962) #12, the Hulk meets Thing and the Fantastic Four for the first time! In a clash of titans, Thing and Hulk battle to save Rick Jones who was kidnapped by the Wrecker.

In fact, since the 1960s, Thing and Hulk have been rivals and celebrated as equals. However, the Hulk-Thing rivalry changed over time, when it became clear that Hulk is a force of nature that dominates most fights, but Thing has a brave heart that will not back down.

Though in the 1980s, mutations in Thing’s abilities and the transformation into Grey Hulk favored Thing. In Fantastic Four (1988) #320, Doctor Doom manipulates the two monsters into fighting against each other. Incredibly, Thing defeats Hulk.

Let’s look at how Thing’s and Hulk’s super strengths match against each other across various media.

 

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TV: THING MATCHES A HULK WITH MEMORY LOSS IN SUPER-STRENGTH

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From 2013 to 2019, Marvel ran five seasons of Avengers Assemble (2019) on Disney XD. Importantly, the long-running show has been celebrated as one of the best Marvel cartoons. And it is well deserved. It featured important story arcs every season about the Avengers, even ending with a Black Panther story arc in season five.

Perhaps, the best Hulk moment of Season 1 was Hulk’s Day Out. In the episode, Hulk crashes to Earth with a message of doom. Importantly, Hulk has a memory loss and the Avengers must reconstruct his last 24 hours.

In a brief fight, it appears both fighters in the strength and durability departments are evenly matched. Really, their strength is so evenly matched that they lock arms and Captain America must use his shield to separate them.

In the end, the scuffle is a tie.

TV: HULK KNOCKS OUT THING TEMPORARILY



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Really, Fantastic Four: The World’s Greatest Heroes (2006) attempted to change the FF status quo. Though the series ran for only eight episodes from 2006 to 2007, ScreenRant commended its strong tone and eccentricity.

Particularly, episode 4 featured a powerful battle between the Fantastic Four and the Hulk. True to the comics, Thing appeared as the more skilled fighter though Hulk showed superior brute force.

Initially, both fighters are matched. However, Hulk actually becomes more savage by smashing Thing with cars and finally stomping him with Thing lifting a car above his head. At the same time, Invisible Woman and Human Torch have to step in in order to help.

In the end, with a trick taken from the comic, Mister Fantastic defeats Hulk with an ultrasonic device that reverts him to Bruce Banner.

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FILM: THING CAN LIFT THE LONDON EYE

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Though Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer (2007) received mixed reviews from critics and audiences, the general consensus is that it was superhero spectacle with a convoluted plot and insufficient characterization for its villains.

Perhaps, one of its least celebrated moments is the London Eye scene towards the beginning of the movie. Early on, Mister Fantastic is able to calculate the Silver Surfer‘s next cosmic phenomenon on Earth. Then, the Fantastic Four are off to London.

When a crater forms in the River Cruise, London is threatened and the FF must save the London Eye: While Thing supports the London Eye, Invisible Woman prevents people from falling and Mister Fantastic anchors it.

Importantly, the London Eye weighs 2100 tons. Over nine feet in the air, Thing generated 185409000 Joules of potential energy, for a City-Block Level feat.

FILM: HULK CAN STOP THE LEVIATHAN WITH A PUNCH

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Really, Marvel’s The Avengers (2012) sports some of the best cinematic action. Perhaps, the movie is the best superhero movie of all-time. And it is well deserved.

In the final battle, the Avengers finally assemble in order to face Loki and the Chitauri invasion in New York City. When the situation seems hopeless, Hulk saves the day!

Certainly, Hulk’s Leviathan Punch is one of the greatest cinematic moments. In order to stop the three million tons monster travelling at the speed of sound, Bruce Banner changes into the Hulk instantly delivering a titanic punch that stops the monster in its tracks. Then, Iron Man blows it with a missile.

With 1.764735*1014 Watts of power, a Mountain-Level of Super Strength.

COMIC: THING BENCH PRESSED THE HYDRAULO-PRESS

In Fantastic Four (1969) #92, Thing performs the classic hydraulo-press feat. Marvel Comics.

Visit Super Power Explained: 5 Feats That Show The Thing Can Bust A Planet for the explanation of Thing’s Planetary-Level feats.

In addition, SEE Thing, ‘Fantastic Four’ Vol 1 92.

COMIC: HULK CAN PUNCH THROUGH TIME

In The Incredible Hulk (1971) #135, Hulk performs a super strength feat. Hulk punches through time to World War I. Marvel Comics.

For the most part, Hulk has gone through different incarnations over the comic book ages. During the Bronze Age, Hulk was in top form. Though his power regularly fluctuated, the Jade Giant seemed to have higher peaks.

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HULK SUPER-STRENGTH LEVEL:

INFINITE

Super Strength: Infinite 100%

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THING SUPER-STRENGTH LEVEL:

MULTI-PLANETARY

Super Strength: Multi-Planetary 50%

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LINKS

Fantastic Four Vol 1 12 in Marvel Database.
Clobbering Times: A History of Hulk vs. Thing Battles in CBR.com.
Fantastic Four Vol 1 320 in Marvel Database.
Every Animated Version Of The Avengers, Ranked in ScreenRant.
Hulk’s Day Out in IMDb.
Every Adaptation Of The Fantastic Four, Ranked From Worst To Best in ScreenRant.
Episode:Hard Knocks in Marvel Animated Universe Wiki.
Leviathans in Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki.

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DC vs Marvel: Lex Luthor vs Doctor Doom, Who Is The Better Villain? (Comics, TV and Film)

 

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THE SMARTEST HUMANS AT DC AND MARVEL

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In January, we ranked the formidabilities in a potential Darkseid vs Thanos battle. And we looked at the characters in continuity at their highest powers: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation.

In February, we compared both characters to find out who is the better villain. Now, this month, we compare two other A-list villains at DC and Marvel to find out who is the better villain.

At DC and Marvel, Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom are definitely the two smartest humans in their respective universes. For his part, Lex Luthor has planned world domination while Doctor Doom has conquered the power of God on multiple occasions.

To this end, we have come up with a villainy score that compares both characters in eight categories: Sales, Origin Story, Character Evolution, Cast, Quality Opponents, Villainy, Power, Popularity. Before we compare our villains let’s list some rules.

  1. The Villainy Score is rated out of 8 points.
  2. For Doctor Doom, we list only the Earth-616 continuity and for Lex Luthor Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth.
  3. Since we are comparing Sales and Popularity, we include the villains’ performance in other media and their Google Search Results.
  4. For Power, we list their highest achievements across Earth-616, Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth continuities.

So, let’s compare Lex Luthor and Doctor Doom in the villainy department.

 

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VILLAINY SCORES

Lex Luthor. DC Comics.

VILLAINY SCORE: 5

SALES

For sales, Lex Luthor outperforms Doctor Doom. In the comic medium, it appears the Metropolis businessman lags behind the Baron of Iron.

In 2005, Lex Luthor: The Man of Steel #1 ranked 38 in unit sales on the Top Comics of March 2005. At the same time, Lex Luthor performs very well as POTUS in Our Worlds at War whose first issue ranked 19th in unit sales and sold 59157 issues on the Top Comics of July 2001.

In animation, Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League Unlimited have created the best portrayals of Lex Luthor. And to this day, Michael Rosenbaum remains the most celebrated version of Lex Luthor with Smallville. And the Total Estimated Domestic Video Sales for the series is $151,375,254.

In the movie department, the controversial Batman v Superman movie still gave us a more significant live-action adaptation than Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Overall, BvS earned $855 million internationally.

Doctor Doom. Marvel Comics.

VILLAINY SCORE: 3

SALES

Though Doctor Doom stars in more event comics with prominent roles, he performs less than his counterpart in the different media.

In 1984, Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars ranked as Marvel’s first company-wide crossover event and the top-selling comic year-long with 250000 copies sold. In 2015, Doctor Doom becomes God-doom in Secret Wars whose first issue ranked 1st in unit sales with 527618 sold on the Top Comics of May 2015.

With animation, the Spider-Man: The Animated Series and The Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes have created the best portrayals of Doom. However, very few portrayals have had the lasting impact that his counterpart has had.

In the movie department, the controversial live-action adaptation of Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer was not successful. Overall, FF earned $289,480,691 internationally.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

 

LEX LUTHOR’S FIRST APPEARANCE IN ACTION COMICS (1940) #23 IS COLLECTED IN SUPERMAN: THE GOLDEN AGE OMNIBUS VOL. 1

DOCTOR DOOM’S FIRST APPEARANCE IN FANTASTIC FOUR (1962) #5 IS COLLECTED IN ESSENTIAL FANTASTIC FOUR, VOL. 1 (MARVEL ESSENTIALS)

ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In many respects, Lex Luthor is definitely one of the most interesting character at DC Comics.

Post-Crisis, his motivations have centered on either destroying Superman’s reputation or besting him through his lackeys. What makes Lex Luthor work is that he genuinely believes himself to be humanity’s savior by virtue of his superior intelligence.

During Dark Nights: Death Metal, Lex may have finally become good. In fact, he proved why he is the smartest human in the DC multiverse by creating the weapon in the World Forge that created Truth Incarnate Wonder Woman.

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In addition, Doctor Doom has shown he is Marvel’s Greatest Villain. Really, during the first Secret Wars, he stole Beyonder’s power becoming the Supreme Being of the Universe.

Similarly, Doom believes himself to be humanity’s savior. In Doomwar, he has beheld a potential future where he is Earth’s ruler.

However, like other Marvel villains, Doctor Doom ultimately knows he is not fit for ultimate power. Hence, his flaw proves his undoing in the end.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

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CAST

Really, this is where Lex Luthor truly separates himself.

Indeed, as a businessman and the smartest man on DC Earth, Lex Luthor has proven a better leader. In fact, he showed how an A-list supervillain can legally become the President of the United States.

From Lexcorp, to the Injustice Gang, to the United States, even Darkseid and Perpetua, Lex Luthor is an expert at making deals.

During Our Worlds At War, he won even Superman to his cause in order to stop Imperiex.

CAST

Tragically, Doctor Doom has remained a conflicted figure. As a conqueror and world leader, he leads the sovereign nation of Latveria.

Incredibly, Doom commands a religious following and his people actually love him.

In addition, he has sought companionship often in treacherous ways though he has remained single-minded. Effortlessly, Doom could conquer the world, however, it would take manipulation and deception.

During Avengers: Emperor Doom, Doctor Doom realizes that world conquest is an illusion.

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Luthor is at a disadvantage. Indeed, most of his opponents are Cosmic Beings.

At the same time, Justice League: Darkseid War showed Lex Luthor can take on Gods or Abstracts.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Doctor Doom more or less ties Lex Luthor in this department.

Secret Wars showed that Doom’s Quality Opponents are properly Gods or Abstracts. In fact, Beyonder may be the God of the Marvel multiverse.

ADVANTAGE: TIE

VILLAINY

In this department, Lex Luthor may have foreshadowed the greatest evil. However, his humanity shows he can be redeemed.

With the Worlogog, Lex Luthor created an alternate future where Darkseid imposed the Anti-Life Equation on DC Earth. In a sense, this may have contributed to Final Crisis.

In Dark Nights Metal, Luthor joined forces with Perpetua who re-made the multiverse in her image. However, he redeemed himself by supplying the weapon for Truth Incarnate Wonder Woman’s victory.

VILLAINY

In this department, Doctor Doom is pure evil. In fact, he cannot be redeemed. Indeed, his faith in magic is only a masquerade for his lust for power.

In Doomwar, Doom used the purple Man to possess the will of all humans on Earth. On mutiple occasions, his lust for power caused him to steal the power of the Silver Surfer, the Watcher and Galactus.

In Secret Wars, GodDoom rules Battleworld having stolen the Beyonders’ powers. Even here, Doom’s inner darkness makes him a powerful villain.

ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

POWER

With his Universal-Level Strength Class, Lex Luthor with the Omega Effect in Darkseid War has a score of 71.5. Though his lack of Teamwork with the JLA limits his potential. His Formidability rating is Metahuman.

To note, Lex Luthor with the Omega Effect is less powerful than Darkseid with the ALE. Which explains how he could not defeat Anti-Monitor. In fact, it takes the ALE to stand a chance though AM is at least as powerful as Darkseid with ALE.

SCORE: 71.5

FORMIDABILITY: METAHUMAN

Strength Class: Universal 84%
Weaknesses: None 100%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Teamwork 67%

POWER

Though God-Doom in Secret Wars is Nigh-omnipotent in Strength Class, his Hubris and Power Dependency on Molecule Man, give him a score of 71. His Formidability rating is Metahuman.

To note, God-Doom is about as formidable as Thanos with the IG. Which explains how Black Panther was able to go toe to toe with him in Secret Wars (2016) #9. Though Doctor Doom was likely toying with him.

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY: METAHUMAN

Strength Class: Nigh-Omnipotence 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

ADVANTAGE: LEX LUTHOR

 

POPULARITY

Generally, Lex Luthor is more popular in the comic medium. In the Post-Crisis continuity alone, he boasts 789 Appearances.

However, Google Search Results yield 12,500,000 results.

POPULARITY

In order for Doctor Doom to match his popularity, we must add the Baron of Iron’s 841 Appearances to his 218 Minor Appearances.

As the winner, Google Search Results yield  98,100,000 results.

ADVANTAGE: DOCTOR DOOM

VERDICT:

Though Doctor Doom operates on a higher scale, Lex Luthor proves to be equally intelligent and a far more human villain.

Lex Luthor wins.

And that’s our ranking!

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March 2005 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
July 2001 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
Smallville (2001) in The Numbers.
Box Office: ‘Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice’ Was A $855M Wash in Forbes.
1984 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
May 2015 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) in The Numbers.
Secret Wars Vol 1 9 in Marvel Database.