In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities. In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!
In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?
Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel. At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse. At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.
So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.
Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy. For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful. Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.
Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.
First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.
First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.
1. STRENGTH CLASS
Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength. At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.
With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.
On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.
With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.
In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe. As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems. In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.
Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.
Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with. Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.
In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them. Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.
In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed. In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.
Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes. At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.
On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse. More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!
In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.
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Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis. With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.
In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles. Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.
Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!
Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%
Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%
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With his eye-beams, Galactus removes Silver Surfer’s space-born powers, stranding him to Earth. Marvel Comics.
In the Marvel Universe, no being was more feared than Galactus. Recently, he met his timely end at the hands of Thor, in Devourer King. When King Thor became Galactus’ Herald, he was imbued with the Power Cosmic. Namely, Galactus possesses this reservoir of ambient, cosmic energy at an incalculable level. In fact, Galactus’ possession of the Power Cosmic makes him a cosmic entity on par with Eternity, the embodiment of the Marvel Universe. There are other reservoirs of power as well such as the Power Primordial which powers the Elders of the Universe.
Incredibly, Galactus possesses the Power Cosmic at a Universal Level with the potential to create or destroy the Marvel Universe. Definitely, such power is god-like and explains why the Devourer of Worlds eats planets. If the Star-God’s catalogue of super powers is endless, let’s examine his durability.
In other words, how tough is Galactus, when fed and when hungry?
InThe Galactus Trilogy, Earth-616 is threatened by Galactus for the first time. Somberly, Silver Surfer arrives to announce the end of the world. When Galactus comes to Earth, he clashes with the Fantastic Four. Meanwhile, Silver Surfer meets Alicia Masters. Fortunately, she convinces Norrin to turn against his master. Together, the FF and Silver Surfer are aided by Uatu the Watcher in their battle. When Human Torch retrieves the Ultimate Nullifier from Taa II at Watcher’s directions, the tide changes. In possession of the Ultimate Nullifier, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with annihilation unless he leaves.
Since the UN is an artifact on Galactus’ solar system-sized home, it gives an estimation of his power level. Importantly, the Nullifier can lay waste to a galaxy, and destroy a universe. As a result, Galactus relented his invasion. In terms of durability, this means Galactus is at least Galaxy-Level in Durability and Power Level. However, that is not enough to determine his fed and hungry states.
In Thanos (2004) #6, Thanos crashes Rigel-3 and Rigel-18 onto Galactus and Hunger. Marvel Comics.
In Thanos: Redemption (Thanos (2003-2004)), Galactus is manipulated by the cosmic entity named the Hunger. In an attempt to rid himself of his cosmic hunger, Galactus accidentally summons the Hunger into the Earth-616 reality.
Though Thanos finds out about Hunger’s machinations, he fails in stopping Galactus. After the Hunger enters this reality, Thanos brings in the big guns! Powerfully, the mad Titan teleports old Rigel-3 into Rigel-18’s orbit. On a collision course, both planets slam onto each other in a cosmic conflagration. In between, Galactus and Hunger are caught in the collision. Incredibly, Galactus survives.
Previously, Hunger had severely weakened Galactus who was in a hungry state. If we estimate Galactus’ durability feat, we can make a comparison. In fact, if we collide two planets the size of Earth at orbital velocity, the work done is at least Stellar-Level in Energy Projection. Indeed, a hungry Galactus is at least Stellar-Level in Durability.
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A sated Galactus survives the gravitational force at the core of the Milky Way. Marvel Comics.
In The Last Galactus Story: Chapter Seven (1985), Galactus investigates the disappearance of stars in the universe. Interestingly, he traces it to the Milky Way galaxy. Then, a sated Galactus enters the core of the galaxy. Powerfully, Galactus survives the gravitational force at the core of the Milky Way galaxy without any trouble. Definitely, a feat requiring a Galaxy to Universal-Level durability.
In the issue, it is stated that Galactus survived the previous universe’s destruction. If Galactus can survive the forces of entropy, that puts his potential durability as Universal-Level.
In ‘Thanos’ (2004) #5, titled “Entry”, Thanos performs a durability feat. In an attempt to reform his evil ways, Thanos seeks to aid Galactus in ridding himself of his cosmic hunger. Thanos believes Galactus is being manipulated by an outside force, and when he boards Galactus’ ship, there is a battle!
How much durability does it take for Thanos’ force field to withstand Galactus’ blast?
In ‘Thanos’ (2004) #5, Thanos performs a durability feat. Thanos’ force field withstands a blast from Galactus. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.
GALACTUS USED THE POWER COSMIC TO CREATE A BLAST OF 100,000,000° CELSIUS THAT DESTROYED THANOS’ FORCE FIELD.
GALACTUS’ BLAST EFFECTIVELY GENERATED THE EQUIVALENT OF A SUN WITH THE POWER COSMIC. THE BLAST DESTROYED THANOS’ FORCE FIELD PRODUCING 3.846*1026 WATTS, ENOUGH TO DESTROY MULTIPLE CONTINENTS.
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The most powerful, enigmatic villain in the Marvel Universe takes center stage. He’s held ultimate power in his hands, only to see it all slip away time and again. His attempts at conquest and destruction have all been thwarted. So what inner demons drive the mad Titan known as Thanos towards his goals — and what hidden desires now pull at his heart and mind?
This comic is a turning point at Marvel concerning their perspective on storytelling. On this rare event, a Marvel supervillain actually attempts to reform. Following the destruction of the universe at his hands, Thanos reflects on his villainy and sets out on a path to redemption. His journey is accompanied by other cosmic characters, and takes him to Rigel-3, Rigel-18 and ultimately… to Galactus.
Do not miss their cosmic-destroying battle and an ultimate revelation that is sure to affect the cosmos!
The Kindle and Comixology formats are highly recommended. The Comixology format allows for Zoom In, Zoom Out, and Full Screen. Guided View also allows for a panel to panel read. Also, you can do a One Page or Two Page view. The colors are vibrant and the art is gorgeous.
This book collects ‘Thanos’ (2003) #1-12 and is 270 pages. One good feature of this book is that it is available on Kindle and Comixology for downloading to have easier access with a 18% Kindle discount.
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This is the ground-breaking storyline in the Thanos series. By showing a repentant Thanos seeking redemption, this comic adds a depth to the character that makes Thanos more compelling. We almost want Thanos to succeed in repairing his misdeeds and when he arrives on Rigel-3 there is a tension that makes us understand the character’s motivations.
This product is well reviewed and has 45 ratings with an average customer review rating of 4.5 out of 5. There seems to be a general satisfaction with the product.
One customer review said: “Thanos has been one of the best villains that Marvel has had. So how about as a hero? After the Amazing Infinity Gauntlet story, as cool as Thanos is, something seemed to be a little off for me regarding his motivations. It makes sense, after finally giving up on ultimate power due to the events of IG, he would be a changed person. Not for the better, in my opinion. However, these stories here were excellent and probably the best Thanos stories since the Infinity Gauntlet. The first 6 by Starlin are masterful with a tale that includes Galactus himself. Then Starlin departed and Keith Giffen (another favorite of mine) takes over. Re-reading it here I see him laying the ground work for the Annihilation Wave which lead to the Guardians of the Galaxy take that people are now more familiar with.”
The reviews were overall very positive with only two negative reviews. One problem cited by one of the negative reviews was the dialogue: “If you like the traditional, comic book-y way of having every character explain the plot via long dialogue or thought bubbles, this is for you. If you like the less wordy, modern method of comic book storytelling, you’ll get bored with this quickly.”
Overall, this comic was very enjoyable.
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We recommend this book as a ground-breaking reformation of the supervillain named Thanos.