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Marvel Day List: 5 Reasons Why Hulk Is The Strongest Avenger, And 5 Reasons Why It’s Thor (Film, TV and Comics)

 

MARVEL DAY

Writer(s)

Al Ewing


Penciler(s)

Joe Bennett


Colorist(s)

Paul Mounts


Cover

Alex Ross


Publisher

Marvel Comics


Publication Date

February 6, 2019

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In the Marvel multiverse, the Avengers are the premiere superhero-team. In battles to defend Earth and the universe against villains, tyrants, and conquerors, two Avengers challenge each other for the title of Strongest Avenger. Indeed, the Thor-Hulk rivalry has been since the classic era and continues to this day. Hulk, is the Jade Giant with infinite strength and rage, and Thor is the Thunder God and protector of Earth.

Let’s list five reasons why Hulk’s monstrous strength makes him the Strongest Avenger and five reasons why Thor’s godly power contends for the Strongest Avenger.

10. THOR MATCHED HULK IN AN HOUR TEST OF STRENGTH

In Defenders (1973) #10, Doctor Strange guides Hulk to Los Angeles where he finds the missing part of the Evil Eye. At that time, Thor also arrives looking for the Evil Eye. When the God of Thunder asks to speak to the Jade Giant, Hulk is dismissive. Violently, a brawl follows between the warriors. During the battle, their power is so fierce that the city is threatened. Incredibly, both combatants lock arms for one hour in a test of strength. Finally, Doctor Strange, the Defenders and Avengers arrive to separate them. In the end, the heroes realize that a greater force, namely Dormammu, is involved in the events.

9. IT TOOK HULK AND NAMOR TO FIGHT CLASSIC THOR

In Avengers (1964) #3, Hulk and Namor team-up against the Avengers. When the Avengers decide to find the Hulk, they contact Rick Jones. With his help, they locate him in the desert. After a battle, he escapes and teams-up with Sub-Mariner. At the Rock of Gibraltar, the final battle occurs. During the fight, Namor and Hulk can barely hold on to the mighty Thor. In the end, the enemies flee with the Avengers victorious.

8. IN MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS, THOR HAS MATCHED HULK WITHOUT HIS HAMMER

In Marvel’s The Avengers (2012), Nick Fury activates the Avengers Initiative to recruit exceptional people into the peace-keeping team called the Avengers. With the Tesseract, Loki signals a Chitauri invasion in New York City. Before the invasion, Thor battles Hulk on the Helicarrier, matching the behemoth without his hammer! In Thor (1987) #385, Thor must stop Hulk’s rampage in a forest near the Mississippi River. When Hulk holds a woman hostage, Thor is forced to fight without his hammer. Though at a disadvantage, he holds his own.

7. HULK HAS LIFTED THOR’S HAMMER

In Hulk: Let The Battle Begin (2010) #1, Bruce Banner awakens in the middle of the desert. There, he find a ride from a man driving a truck who drops him off to a nearby town. In between naps, Bruce has been having trouble with his memories. In his naps, he recalls the events of the previous day. Near Mount Rushmore, he recalls lifting Thor’s hammer and bludgeoning the Odinson with it till he is knocked out. Really, an impressive feat!

6. IN MARVEL’S THE AVENGERS, THOR DREW WITH HULK

In Marvel’s The Avengers (2012), Thor’s superior fighting skills, equal strength and powerful hammer drew the battle against Hulk. In Thor: Ragnarok (2012), though Hulk won, he had help from the Grandmaster.

5. IN THE HULK VS. ANIMATED FILM, THE JADE GIANT NEARLY KILLED THOR

In Hulk Vs. (2009), Hulk fights Wolverine in the first movie and Thor in the second movie. The events in the movie follow after or during Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. In Hulk Vs. Thor, the soulless body of Hulk has been unleashed on Asgard by Loki and Amora. In a brutal battle, Hulk pummels Thor to the ground. When Hulk is about to land the killing blow, he sees the light of Odinsleep and heads for the palace. Believing himself dead, Thor sees a shadow thinking it is Hela, but it is Amora.

4. IN THOR: RAGNAROK, HULK FOUGHT FENRIS AND SURTUR

In Thor: Ragnarok (2017), Thor, Hulk and Valkyrie must stop Hela, Surtur and her demons from destroying Asgard. In the final battle, Thor battles Hela while Hulk battles the ferocious Fenris then attacks Surtur, a giant extra-dimensional demon. With the power to destroy Asgard, Surtur finds a match in Hulk who can shake a dimension!

 

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3. IN AVENGERS: ENDGAME, THOR KILLED A WOUNDED THANOS

In Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Endgame (2019), the Avengers are recovering from the Thanos Snap. When the Avengers regroup, they set out for Titan to undo the damages. There, they find a wounded Thanos. Unfortunately, Thanos reveals that they cannot undo the Snap since he destroyed the Infinity Stones. In a fit of anger, Thor decapitates Thanos with Stormbreaker.

2. HERALD OF THUNDER THOR KILLS GALACTUS AND THE BLACK WINTER

In Thor: The Devourer King (2020), Thor becomes a Herald of Thunder for Galactus. In order to fight the Black Winter, Thor helps the Star God consume five planets. However, when he realizes he has been duped, he kills Galactus and uses his corpse as a bomb to explode the Black Winter. Certainly, do not miss Thor using the God Blast against the Black Winter!

1. IMMORTAL HULK DISSIPATED THE ONE-BELOW-ALL WITH HIS THUNDERCLAP

Really, Hulk is the strongest Avenger. In Immortal Hulk (2019) #13, Hulk is in Hell with his father. There, he must fight the One Below All and his horde of demons. During the battle, his father disowns him as a child of evil. When all seems lost, Immortal Hulk hulks-out and delivers a powerful thunderclap that dissipates the One Below All. In the Marvel multiverse, The One Above All is supreme, and at the bottom of the multiverse, the One Below All reigns. Proving once again that the Strongest Avenger can defeat the ultimate evil.

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LINKS

Defenders Vol 1 10 in Marvel Database.
Avengers Vol 1 3 in Marvel Database.
Hulk: Let the Battle Begin Vol 1 1 in Marvel Database.
Immortal Hulk Vol 1 13 in Marvel Database.

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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid or Thanos, Who Is The Better Villain? (And First Appearance)

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL

DEATH BATTLE!

IN SUPERVILLAINS

THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'

Last month, we ranked the formidabilities in a potential Darkseid vs Thanos battle. And we looked at the characters in continuity at their highest powers: Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation.

Now, this month, we look at who between both A-list villains is the better villain.

To this end, we have come up with a villainy score that compares both characters in eight categories: Sales, Origin Story, Character Evolution, Cast, Quality Opponents, Villainy, Power, Popularity. Before we compare our villains let’s list some rules.

  1. The Villainy Score is rated out of 8 points.
  2. For Thanos, we list only the Earth-616 continuity and for Darkseid Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth.
  3. Since we are comparing Sales and Popularity, we include the villains’ performance in other media and their Google Search Results.
  4. For Power, we list their highest achievements across Earth-616, Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint and Rebirth continuities.

So, let’s compare Darkseid and Thanos in the villainy department.

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VILLAINY SCORES

Darkseid.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

For sales, Darkseid lags behind Thanos. In the comic medium, it appears the God of Evil is selling top dollar. In 2009, Final Crisis ranked 14 on the Top Comics of the year with an estimated 127,000 units sold.

Later, in 2020, the Justice League Dark: Apokolips War animated film made $5,474,989 in Total Estimated Domestic Video Sales. In the movie department, the success of Zack Snyder’s Justice League is not sufficient to overcome the Disney juggernaut.

Thanos.

VILLAINY SCORE: 4

SALES

Though Thanos does not have Darkseid’s level of presence in comics and animation, with fewer comic appearances than Darkseid overall.

At the same time, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has made the villain a pop icon. Together, Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame have brought in about $4.8 billion worldwide.

Likely, this is more than the revenue of all the movies in the DCEU combined.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

ORIGIN STORY

In some respects, Darkseid’s origin story has been changed over DC continuity.

Post-Crisis, he was Prince Uxas who killed his brother Drax and claimed the Omega Effect. In the New 52, Darkseid was a peasant who ascended to the throne of Apokolips.

For the most part, the New God’s story deserved to be more known.

ORIGIN STORY

Really, Thanos’ origin story is better known. In true Marvel fashion, he is given a character flaw.

Namely, being a Deviant among the perfect Eternals of Titan. For the most part, this explains his descent into villainy. And his affection for the embodiment of Death.

Definitely, he is more fleshed out in his motivations.

 

DARKSEID’S FIRST APPEARANCE IS IN SUPERMAN’S PAL JIMMY OLSEN #134 CGC 8.0 FIRST APPEARANCE OF DARKSEID 1970 DC COMIC BOOK

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ADVANTAGE: THANOS

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In many respects, both characters have evolved over the years. Namely, it took Darkseid millennia before finally obtaining the ALE.

In the New 52, Darkseid was conquering the DC multiverse, killing versions of Superman in order to find the ALE and Grail.

After Infinite Frontier, DC Comics revealed True Form Darkseid.

CHARACTER EVOLUTION

In addition, Thanos has evolved speedily. Once a third rate villain, he arose to prominence with the conquest of the Cosmic Cube.

Then, he set his sights on the Infinity Gauntlet. Post-IG, the Mad Titan attempted a path of redemption.

However, Thanos Wins revealed a possible future where the villain has eliminated all the heroes in the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

 

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CAST

Really, this is where Darkseid truly separates himself.

Indeed, as a New God and ruler of Apokolips, Darkseid has a colorful cast of characters.

From Desaad, to Granny Goodness, the Female Furies, and his immediate family like his uncle Steppenwolf.

During Jack Kirby’s Fourth World, the cast exemplified the type of cosmic opera that the New Gods can be.

CAST

Tragically, Thanos has remained a solitary figure. As a space conqueror, he has assembled the Black Order and conquered civilizations.

In Infinity, he comes to Earth looking for his Inhuman son Thane.

Despite his power, the Mad Titan has often had poor advisors that sought to dethrone him.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

QUALITY OPPONENTS

For the most part, Darkseid has had God in Heaven or Abstracts in the Nil, namely the Monitors, as his quality opponents.

Though it occurred off-panel, Darkseid successfully waged war on Heaven and gained the Anti-Life Equation.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

Unfortunately, Marvel: The End is non-canon. At the same time, with the IG Thanos has successfully conquered the Marvel Universe.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

VILLAINY

In this department, Darkseid figures as pure evil. First, with the Omega Effect he can erase and resurect life.

Second, with the ALE, he can erase free will. Finally, Darkseid constantly evolves into his True Form.

Let’s also add that Darkseid’s Desaad is an expert in torture and mind control.

VILLAINY

In reality, Thanos is psychotic.

Indeed, his lust for power has plagued him with a hubris that ultimately convinces him to be unfit for ultimate power.

In the end, we are assured Than conquers the Marvel Universe. But, Thanos seeks to be a God whereas Darkseid is a God.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

 

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POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

POWER

See our Formidability rating in the previous article.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

POPULARITY

Generally, Darkseid is more popular in the comic medium. In the Post-Crisis continuity, he boasts 456 Appearances.

However, Google Search Results yield 4,340,000 results.

POPULARITY

In order for Thanos to match his popularity, we must add the Disciple of Death’s 362 Appearances to his 139 Minor Appearances.

As the winner, Google Search Results yield  46,700,000 results.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

VERDICT:

Though Thanos is more popular and successful in sales, Darkseid is a classic villain who seeks to re-fashion the DC multiverse in his image. Tie.

And that’s our ranking! Don’t forget to leave comments if you liked the DC vs Marvel.


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Feat: Flash, ‘JLA’ #3

 

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LINKS

2009 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
Justice League Dark: Apokolips War (2020) in The Numbers.
Top Lifetime Grosses in Box Office Mojo.


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