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Overpowered Beings: In ‘What If?’ Short Stories, Uatu The Watcher #BreaksTheFourthWall

 

OVERPOWERED BEINGS


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IN COSMIC HIERARCHY

FROM THE UNIVERSE’S OLDER RACES, THE WATCHERS SWORE TO OBSERVE


In Original Sin (2014) #0, the Watchers brings nuclear power to the Prosilicans. Marvel Comics.

During the Silver Age, Marvel Comics introduced The Watcher in “The World’s Greatest Comic Magazine!” In Fantastic Four (1963) #13, the Fantastic Four are on a mission to the Blue Area of the moon. In the issue, Mister Fantastic experiments on a rocket fragment.

Then, he decides to travel by rocket to the Blue Area of the moon where the fragment came. However, a Russian scientist in the Soviet Union named Ivan Kragoff, is on a mission to the moon. In fact, he has selected his three apes with him, Igor, Piotr and Miklho in order to replicate the Fantastic Four’s powers.

Predictably, the mission succeeds and the villains are granted super powers from cosmic rays. On the moon, the Fantastic Four and Ivan’s team battle. However, the clash is cut short by the first appearance of the Watcher.

After Claiming the Blue Area as his home, he reveals his race’s vow to not interfere in the affairs of alien races and banishes both teams to the ruined city where they battle for superiority.

Forward into the Modern Age, we learn the origin of the race of Watchers’ vow. In the early beginnings of the universe, the Watchers were a technologically advanced and benevolent race. In order to help the planet Prosilicus, Ikor proposed to bring nuclear power to the Prosilican race.

Tragically, the technology led to nuclear warfare and auto-genocide on Prosilicus. Horrified at the Prosilican incident, Ikor created a code of ethics for the race. Now known as the Watchers, the cosmic gods would observe and not interfere.

OVERPOWERED, UATU CAN RESIST AND KILL GALACTUS

In 'Super-Villain Classics' (1983) #1, we find out the origin of Galactus, the Destroyer of Worlds.

In Super-Villain Classics (1983) #1, we find out the origin of Galactus, the Destroyer of Worlds.

In terms of powers, Uatu has been said to be powerful enough to shake a galaxy. Really, the Watcher is a cosmic god who can manipulate cosmic energy on an incalculable scale. As matter of fact, he has been stated to resist the telepathic probes of Galactus, the Destroyer of Worlds.

Furthermore, in Super-Villain Classics (1983) #1, we learn Galactus’ origin story. After the destruction of the previous universe, the Sentience of the Universe protected Galan in a Cosmic Egg. With the birth of the Seventh Cosmos, or Earth-616 universe, Galactus came out of gestation.

In the early universe, the Watchers were among the oldest races. Ecce the Watcher observed the Star God’s emergence and sensed his evil and Cosmic Hunger. In fact, he was powerful enough to kill him. But, sworn to not interfere, he let Galactus depart in his starship.

Like Ecce, Uatu probably is powerful enough to kill a hungry or young Galactus. Notably, Uatu possesses the powers of telepathy, energy manipulation, teleportation, time travel, cosmic awareness, force field generation, flight and immortality on a Multiversal scale.

 

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IN WHAT IF? THE WATCHER #BREAKSTHEFOURTHWALL

The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe.
The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe. Marvel Comics.

By now, Marvel-ites have watched the hit TV show called What If…? on Disney+. In fact, there is a popular battle between an alternate Ultron with The Infinity Stones and the Watcher. Nonetheless, the show is based on the successful Marvel series called What If?

Astoundingly, issues #23 to #31 of the series, showcase short stories by Watcher. Each short story exhibits the Watcher’s nigh-omniscience and his ability to see parallel universes of alternate timelines. In fact, in every issue, the Watcher introduces the short story as he addresses the reader.

Incredibly, this power is called Breaking The Fourth Wall. Here, a comic character or literature character is aware of being part of a story or addresses the reader and audience. Really, this super power suggests the Watcher is an Outerversal being.

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WHY UATU THE WATCHER IS AN OVERPOWERED BEING

UATU KNEW ABOUT THE ULTIMATE NULLIFIER TO STOP GALACTUS

In 'Fantastic Four (1966) #50, the Human Torch retrieves the Ultimate Nullifier for Mister Fantastic to use against Galactus as specified by Uatu the Watcher.
In Fantastic Four (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic must use the Ultimate Nullifier to stop Galactus from consuming the Earth. AP Photo/Marvel Comics

In The Galactus Trilogy, Watcher helps the Fantastic Four to stop Galactus. As matter of fact, the cosmic god revealed the heroes knowledge about Galactus’ homeworld, Taa II.

Importantly, Uatu knew the only way to stop the Devourer of Worlds was with an advanced technology from the solar system-sized homeworld. Namely, the Ultimate Nullifier.

In the battle Fantastic Four vs Galactus, the super-team was able to stop the end of the world and have Galactus depart with Uatu’s help.

POTENTIALLY, AN OUTERVERSAL BEING WHO #BREAKSTHEFOURTHWALL

The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe.
The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe. Marvel Comics.

In What If?, Uatu addresses the Marvel-ite reader and tells him a short story. Each story is about an alternate timeline in a parallel Marvel universe.

Really, the fact the Watcher can address the reader shows he #BreaksTheFourthWall. In literature, this is the greatest power. Also, Thought Robot Superman shares this power.

Per our calculations, #BreakingTheFourthWall is an Outerversal feat.

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IN WHAT IF? HE CAN SEE ALTERNATE TIMELINES

The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe.
The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe. Marvel Comics.

Generally, the What If? series is about Watcher seeing alternate timelines in the Marvel multiverse and telling the stories to the reader.

Indeed, the Watcher has a Cosmic Awareness that extends to the Multiversal scale. Perhaps, an extension of his time travel powers.

WATCHER HAS THE POWER TO SHAKE A GALAXY

Xakku in 'Tales of Suspense.'
Xakku in Tales of Suspense (1964) #55. Marvel Comics.

Impressively, Watcher has been stated to have the power to shake a galaxy. In Tales of Suspense (1964) #55, Xakku the Sun-Stealer calls him the most powerful being in the galaxy.

To test his vow, Xakku tells him that the sun near his planet is dying out. With his Sun-Stealer, he plans to steal the sun in Uatu’s solar system. After he asks Uatu if he will intervene.

In a whimsical play of events, Xakku’s nefarious plan is foiled when his starship falls into quicksand before it lands on Earth, saving the planet.


LINKS

Original Sin Vol 1 0 in Marvel Database.
Fantastic Four Vol 1 13 in Marvel Database.
Super-Villain Classics Vol 1 1 in Marvel Database.
Fantastic Four Vol 1 50 in Marvel Database.
Galactus Trilogy in Marvel Database.
What If? Vol 1 (1977–2011) in Marvel Database.
Tales of Suspense Vol 1 55 in Marvel Database.
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DC Day: The Legend Of The Hand Of Creation Proves Krona Is A Mad Scientist, Not A True Villain

 

DC DAY

Writer(s)

Marv Wolfman


Penciler(s)

George Perez


Colorist(s)

Tom Zuko


Cover

George Perez


Publisher

DC Comics


Publication Date

January, 1987

IN SUPERVILLAINS

IN A FORBIDDEN EXPERIMENT, KRONA WITNESSES THE HAND OF CREATION

After Crisis On Infinite Earths, a new single DC Universe is created. In History of the DC Universe, Harbinger gathers data on the Monitor’s files in order to tell its history. In the beginning, a single universe was created. When the universe was young, the earliest race was the Maltusians. These tall, blue-skinned beings lived on Oa and soon mastered science. With their civilization, they studied the universe. According to legend, no one could behold the beginning of the universe.

Or else, calamity would follow. A daring and defiant scientist, Krona defied the legends. With his powerful machine, he peered back in time. Then, he showed his discovery to the Maltusians. On that day, calamity ensued and Krona was struck by a lightning bolt. Dramatically, the accident created the anti-matter universe opposite to the positive matter universe. And the multiverse was born. With the birth of the multiverse, evil entered the DC universe.

The origin of the Green Lantern Corps is told in History of the DC Universe. DC Comics

 

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KRONA WAS EXILED AND TURNED INTO AN ENERGY BEING

Tales of The Green Lantern Corps (1981) #1. DC Comics.

KRONA BECAME THE ENEMY OF THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS

Perhaps, you have watched the animated movie called Green Lantern: Emerald Knight. In DC comics continuity, Krona is banished. Soon, he drifts to Nekron’s realm of the dead. There, he is recruited into Death‘s army which seeks to destroy then recreate the universe. Indeed, Krona welcomes it as an opportunity to study the destruction and the creation of the universe.

Then, Nekron sends Krona and his army of the undead to kill the Guardians of the Universe and the Green Lantern Corps. Violently, the army of the unliving succeeds in killing several Guardians, the Green Lanterns even destroying the Central Power Battery. However, Hal Jordan, the greatest GL rallies the force. Together, they manage to stop Krona and send him back to the realm of the dead.

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History of the DC Universe (1987). DC Comics.

A MAD SCIENTIST, KRONA SEEKS THE BEGINNING OF TIME AT ALL COSTS

In JLA/Avengers, Krona threatens the Omniverse. Dangerously, his quest takes him to the Marvel Universe. There, he engages in a game with the Grandmaster. The JLA and the Avengers must gather items of power for Grandmaster and Krona. And the winner must either claim the items or seek the answer of the beginning from Galactus. When the JLA wins the contest 7-5, Grandmaster wins. Though he collects the items of power, Krona betrays him.

By force, he summons Galactus and beats him in order to discover the secret. In the Marvel Universe, only Galan has survived the destruction of the previous universe. In a cosmic egg, he is shaped by Phoenix into Galactus during the birth of the Earth-616 universe. Ultimately, the heroes band together and triumph. In the end, Krona is transformed into a cosmic egg destined to create a new universe.

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Marvel Day: In “Herald of Doom,” Doctor Doom Endows Victorious With The Power Cosmic To Defeat Galactus

Victorious.
 

MARVEL DAY

Writer(s)

Dan Slott


Penciler(s)

Aaron Kuder, John Lucas


Inker(s)

Aaron Kuder, John Lucas


Colorist(s)

Marte Gracia, Rachelle Rosenberg


Cover

Esad Ribić


Publisher

Marvel Comics


Publication Date

February 27, 2019

IN EXTINCTION

DOCTOR DOOM MAKES VICTORIOUS THE HERALD OF DOOM TO LURE GALACTUS

Previously, in Fantastic Four (2018) #1, we learn the origin story of Victorious.

Courageously, Zora Lukovic inspired Doctor Doom to end his self-exile and reclaim Latveria.

To recompense, Doctor Doom imbued her with the Power Cosmic. Then, Victorious was born.

In reality, Doom’s plan was to lure Galactus to Earth.

In Fantastic Four (2019) #6, Galactus heads straight to Latveria to consume Earth.

During the invasion, Doom’s massive hologram warns Earth of Galactus’ arrival.

Then, he warns that only Doom would deal with the threat. When the FF intercept the broadcast, they head for Latveria.

Victorious.
Victorious. Marvel Comics.

 

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THE FF HELP DOOM AND VICTORIOUS DEFEAT GALACTUS

In Fantastic Four #7, the Fantastic Four help Doom defeat Galactus. Previously, Doom sent Victorious to deal with the FF.

During the battle, Victorious defeats the Human Torch. However, at Doomstadt Doctor Doom proves no match for Galactus.

Then, he re-directs the Devourer of Worlds to Mount Doom. There, his hunger is drawn to Victorious’ Power Cosmic.

As the hungry Galactus feeds on her energies Doom fires his Big Bang Cannons.

After, Torch goes supernova and Mister Fantastic tricks him, the FF defeat Galactus.

And using the Big Bang Cannons, the monarch alters the cosmic being’s molecular structure.

Then, he phases Galactus into Mount Doom. In a hacked televised broadcast, Doom announces his victory.

Gloriously, he promises a new age of clean energy for the world powered by the Devourer.

Finally, he captures the FF and sentences them to death for violating his nation’s sovereignty.

The Big Bang Cannons.
The Big Bang Cannons. Marvel Comics.

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FREE, THE FANTASTIC FOUR REVERSE ENGINEER THE BIG BANG CANNONS SAVING GALACTUS

In 'Fantastic Four' (2019) #9, Galactus is free from Mount Doom.
In Fantastic Four (2019) #9, Galactus is free from Mount Doom. Marvel Comics.

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LINKS

Fantastic Four Vol 6 6 in Marvel Database.
Fantastic Four Vol 6 7 in Marvel Database.
Fantastic Four Vol 6 9 in Marvel Database.
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Battle Ranker Competition Round 3: Galactus vs Random Team 13

 

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The Formidable Warriors List: ‘Warlock and The Infinity Watch’ Was A Commercial Success For Marvel’s Cosmic Stories

 

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THE FORMIDABLE WARRIORS LIST

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THE FORMIDABLE WARRIORS LIST

In our new hotness, we have The Formidable Warriors List. Here, we cover the greatest battles of a particular character in a comic or series, and how it made it a best-seller. In our new hotness for January, is Adam Warlock in Warlock and The Infinity Watch (1991) #1.

First, let’s reveal a poll on Twitter. Then, let’s show how it was a success.

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Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1991) #1. Marvel Comics.

INFINITY GAUNTLET SEQUEL

Namely, Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1991) #1 is the sequel to the classic Infinity Gauntlet story that skyrocketed Thanos into super-stardom in the Marvel Universe. In a few words, Adam Warlock has led the Marvel Universe against the threat of Thanos.

Now, having successfully defeated Thanos and ended the threat, he has claimed the mantle of the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe with the Infinity Gauntlet. Really, it does not get better than this!

THE BATTLE THAT SOLD THE RUN

Importantly, the abstract stand-off between Adam Warlock and Living Tribunal sold the run from the beginning. Let’s explain. In the Star Chamber, it’s getting hotter.

There, an assemblage of cosmic entities and abstract level beings are hearing Eternity’s suit against Adam Warlock, the Supreme Being. When Eternity questions Warlock’s supemacy, Adam’s temper fires a powerful blast that fells everyone.

However, with a snap, Living Tribunal restores order.

In Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1991) #1, Living Tribunal restores order with a finger snap. Marvel Comics.

Then, Eternity presents his case detailing Warlock’s creation, character evolution, his sado-masochistic tendencies as well as his darkest secret. After he has finished his suit, the powerful stand-off of unimaginable might between two omnipotent beings follows!

In 'Warlock and The Infinity Watch (1992) #1, the confrontation between the Living Tribunal and Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet would lay waste to reality.
In Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1991) #1, Adam Warlock and Living Tribunal stand-off. Marvel Comics.

Certainly, you will have to read the issue to see how it ends. However, the first issue does set the tone for the run and does reveal the creative team’s ambitions. Definitely, the stand-off between Adam Warlock and the Living Tribunal sold fans on the series.

SALES, SALES, SALES

On the footsteps of Infinity Gauntlet, anticipation for the Jim Starlin and Angel Medina run was high. Particularly, the creative team released 42 issues for the series that ran from December 1991 to July 1995.

Though mostly with B-list and C-list characters, the series was among the best sellers in 1992. According to Comichron, Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1991) #1, ranked 41 in sales in December 1991.

Though not one of the most popular comics, it was nonetheless successful in 1992, holding spots in the Top 300 for the year.

Let’s rank Warlock’s formidability with the Infinity Gauntlet.

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FORMIDABILITY

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Artificial Being 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Willpower 100%

SCORE: 75

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

For the most part, Adam Warlock shares the same physicals as Thanos with the IG. In fact, he possesses Infinite super-strength. At the same time, Eternity’s suit contends his weakness is his mental unstability.

In reality, Eternity is referring to Adam being an artificial being with no experience with human emotion. Despite his power, his emotions let him lose control in the Star Chamber.

However, Adam’s mysticism allows him to overcome Thanos’ power dependency. Thanks to his link to the Soul Gem, Warlock was able to take control of the IG at the end of Infinity Gauntlet.

For that reason, willpower or mind is properly his limitation. And in that sense, he is more formidable with the IG than Thanos. Certainly, his quality opponent in the first issue is Living Tribunal who is a God or Abstract.

QUALITY OPPONENTS

During the entire run, Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch face a list of cosmic enemies such as the Omega, Man-Beast, Thanos and Magus. For the most part, the enemies are either Cosmic Beings or Skyfathers.

Also, the series centers on the protection of the six Infinity Gems which have been bestowed to different guardians in order to protect from their destructive use together.

In addition, there are questions related to the cosmic hierarchy and how Warlock and the Infinity Watch fit in with cosmic entities such as Galactus, Living Tribunal or Eternity.

FAN RECEPTION

Since its initial release, the comic has remained popular among fans. In fact, it has been collected in Infinity Watch Vol. 1 (Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1992-1995)) and Infinity Watch Vol. 2 (Warlock and the Infinity Watch (1992-1995)).

RECOMMENDATION:

Definitely, collect this cosmic doo-wop comic in single issues or paperback in comic format.

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LINKS

Warlock and the Infinity Watch Vol 1 1 in Marvel Database.
1991 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
1992 Comic Book Sales to Comics Shops in Comichron.
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DC vs Marvel: Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos!

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
 

DC VS MARVEL

DEATH BATTLE!

IN SUPERVILLAINS

THE TOP A-LIST VILLAINS AT DC AND MARVEL

Darkseid vs Thanos in 'DC Versus Marvel.'
Darkseid vs Thanos in DC Versus Marvel (1996).

In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities.

In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!

In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?

Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel.

At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse.

At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.

So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.

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FORMIDABILITY

Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy.

For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful.

Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.

Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.

  1. First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
  2. In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
  3. Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
  4. Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.

First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.

1. STRENGTH CLASS

Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength.

At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.

With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.

On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.

With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.

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2. INTELLIGENCE

In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe.

As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems.

In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.

Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.

Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with.

Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.

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3. PREPARATION

In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them.

Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.

In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed.

In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.

ADVANTAGE: THANOS

4. POWER

Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes.

At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.

On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse.

More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!

In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

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5. LEADERSHIP

Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis.

With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.

In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles.

Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.

Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!

ADVANTAGE: DARKSEID

FORMIDABILITY SCORES

Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%

SCORE: 79

FORMIDABILITY:

WARRIOR

Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%

SCORE: 71

FORMIDABILITY:

METAHUMAN

VERDICT:

Darkseid with the ALE is an Abstract in the DC multiverse. Thanos with IG is the Supreme Being of the Marvel universe.

Darkseid wins.

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Feat: Flash, ‘JLA’ #3

 

In ‘JLA’ (1997) #3, Flash uses the infinite mass punch against Zum, a White Martian. Let’s look at the super-strength feat.



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Marvel Day: In ‘What If’, Phoenix Stops Galactus And Terrax In The Shi’ar Galaxy Then Goes On To Consume A Star, Earth And The Universe

The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe.
 

MARVEL DAY

Writer(s)

Mary Jo Duffy


Penciler(s)

Jerry Bingham


Inker(s)

John Stuart


Colorist(s)

Carl Gafford


Cover

Frank Miller


Publisher

Marvel Comics


Publication Date

April 7, 1981

IN EXTINCTION

‘WHAT IF THE PHOENIX HAD NOT DIED’ ?

The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe.
The Phoenix Force destroys the Earth-81727 universe. Marvel Comics.
In our short-story of love, passion, destruction and extinction, we begin with Uatu in the Earth-616 universe. 

To begin,the Watcher ponders the Phoenix's journey with the X-Men. In his musings, he contemplates an alternate reality...

Here, Phoenix did not die! Instead, the X-Men lost their battle against the Shi'ar and the Phoenix Force was psychically lobotomized from Jean Grey. But in reality, this was further from the truth.

On a fateful day, the X-Men were called into battle by Lilandra. On the alien planet Arama, our children of the atom were to face Galactus trying to consume the planet... and his herald Terrax! A fierce battle followed during which Terrax struck down the X-Men, even threatening Cyclops.

At that moment, we realized that the Phoenix had been laying dormant. Violently, she emerged and removed the Power Cosmic from Terrax. Then, she valiantly engaged Galactus in combat. Soon, she defeated him and repelled his invasion. However, Jean is overwhelmed by the fury and the passion of the Phoenix. A cosmic fiery bird of death and rebirth, Phoenix destroyed asteroids and consumed a star.

Eventually, the X-Men returned to Earth. When Shadowcat berated Jean for losing control, the telepath killed her. Soon, Dark Phoenix destroyed the X-Men one by one. Finally, the death of her lover, Cyclops, was the last straw.

In a fit of rage, folly and cosmic madness, the fiery bird consumed Earth, then the galaxy, and finally, the universe and beyond.

Here ends the story of the Phoenix which should serve as a cautionary tale to not let this fiery cosmic bird to reign unimpeded in the cosmos.

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Super Power Explained: When Fed And When Hungry, How Tough Is Galactus?

In Fantastic Four (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier.
 

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In 'Fantastic Four' (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier.
In Fantastic Four (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier. Marvel Comics.

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GALACTUS POSSESSES THE POWER COSMIC

With his eye-beams, Galactus removes Silver Surfer’s space-born powers, stranding him to Earth. Marvel Comics.

In the Marvel Universe, no being was more feared than Galactus. Recently, he met his timely end at the hands of Thor, in Devourer King. When King Thor became Galactus’ Herald, he was imbued with the Power Cosmic. Namely, Galactus possesses this reservoir of ambient, cosmic energy at an incalculable level. In fact, Galactus’ possession of the Power Cosmic makes him a cosmic entity on par with Eternity, the embodiment of the Marvel Universe. There are other reservoirs of power as well such as the Power Primordial which powers the Elders of the Universe.

Incredibly, Galactus possesses the Power Cosmic at a Universal Level with the potential to create or destroy the Marvel Universe. Definitely, such power is god-like and explains why the Devourer of Worlds eats planets. If the Star-God’s catalogue of super powers is endless, let’s examine his durability.

In other words, how tough is Galactus, when fed and when hungry?

GALACTUS’ POWER LEVEL

In Fantastic Four (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier.
In Fantastic Four (1966) #50, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier. Marvel Comics.

In The Galactus Trilogy, Earth-616 is threatened by Galactus for the first time. Somberly, Silver Surfer arrives to announce the end of the world. When Galactus comes to Earth, he clashes with the Fantastic Four. Meanwhile, Silver Surfer meets Alicia Masters. Fortunately, she convinces Norrin to turn against his master. Together, the FF and Silver Surfer are aided by Uatu the Watcher in their battle. When Human Torch retrieves the Ultimate Nullifier from Taa II at Watcher’s directions, the tide changes. In possession of the Ultimate Nullifier, Mister Fantastic threatens Galactus with annihilation unless he leaves.

Since the UN is an artifact on Galactus’ solar system-sized home, it gives an estimation of his power level. Importantly, the Nullifier can lay waste to a galaxy, and destroy a universe. As a result, Galactus relented his invasion. In terms of durability, this means Galactus is at least Galaxy-Level in Durability and Power Level. However, that is not enough to determine his fed and hungry states.

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WHEN HUNGRY

In 'Thanos' (2004) #6, Thanos crashes Rigel-3 and Rigel-18 onto Galactus and Hunger.
In Thanos (2004) #6, Thanos crashes Rigel-3 and Rigel-18 onto Galactus and Hunger. Marvel Comics.

In Thanos: Redemption (Thanos (2003-2004)), Galactus is manipulated by the cosmic entity named the Hunger. In an attempt to rid himself of his cosmic hunger, Galactus accidentally summons the Hunger into the Earth-616 reality.

Though Thanos finds out about Hunger’s machinations, he fails in stopping Galactus. After the Hunger enters this reality, Thanos brings in the big guns! Powerfully, the mad Titan teleports old Rigel-3 into Rigel-18’s orbit. On a collision course, both planets slam onto each other in a cosmic conflagration. In between, Galactus and Hunger are caught in the collision. Incredibly, Galactus survives.

Previously, Hunger had severely weakened Galactus who was in a hungry state. If we estimate Galactus’ durability feat, we can make a comparison. In fact, if we collide two planets the size of Earth at orbital velocity, the work done is at least Stellar-Level in Energy Projection. Indeed, a hungry Galactus is at least Stellar-Level in Durability.

DURABILITY FEAT: STELLAR

Durability: Stellar 58%

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WHEN FED

A sated Galactus survives the gravitational force at the core of the Milky Way.
A sated Galactus survives the gravitational force at the core of the Milky Way. Marvel Comics.

In The Last Galactus Story: Chapter Seven (1985), Galactus investigates the disappearance of stars in the universe. Interestingly, he traces it to the Milky Way galaxy. Then, a sated Galactus enters the core of the galaxy. Powerfully, Galactus survives the gravitational force at the core of the Milky Way galaxy without any trouble. Definitely, a feat requiring a Galaxy to Universal-Level durability.

In the issue, it is stated that Galactus survived the previous universe’s destruction. If Galactus can survive the forces of entropy, that puts his potential durability as Universal-Level.

DURABILITY FEAT: UNIVERSAL

Durability: Universal 83%


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Fantastic Four Vol 1 50 in Marvel Database.
Galactus Trilogy in Marvel Database.
Earth-8436 – Last Galactus Story in Marvun App.
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Super Power Explained: In The Marvel Universe, Class 100 Heroes And Villains Who Are More Powerful Than Hulk

In 'Incredible Hulk' (2007) #102, World War Hulk puts a serious beatdown on Hercules.
 
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HULK IS THE STRONGEST THERE IS

In 'Incredible Hulk' (2007) #102, World War Hulk puts a serious beatdown on Hercules.
In Incredible Hulk (2007) #102, World War Hulk puts a serious beatdown on Hercules. Marvel Comics.

In the Marvel Universe, Hulk sits at the top of the powerhouses. Indeed, his dynamic strength, gamma radiation physiology, regeneration and unlimited strength make him the strongest hero. Visit our article on THE Marvel Universe Strength Hierarchy Ranks The Top 10 Heroes And Villains By The Potential For Infinite Strength.

In the massive World War Hulk crossover, Hulk defeated Earth’s powerhouses to conquer the planet. Finally, his rampage was put to an end in battle against Sentry. At the end of the fight, both warriors reverted to their human forms. However, Bruce Banner was the last one standing while Robert Reynolds collapsed. Indeed, proving Hulk is the strongest there is.

However, if strength is one thing, power is quite another. If strength is about raw potential, power is about strength, skill and mastery. Over the years, Hulk has faced foes with overwhelming power who have definitely defeated him. Let’s list heroes and villains who are more powerful than Hulk.

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HEROES AND VILLAINS MORE POWERFUL

DOCTOR DOOM

In 'Incredible Hulk' (2011) #7, Doctor Doom defeats Perfect Hulk.
In Incredible Hulk (2011) #7, Doctor Doom defeats Perfect Hulk. DC Comics.

In the Marvel Universe, no supervillain is more lustful and proud than Doctor Doom. Generally, Doctor Doom does not want to destroy the world. Really, the Baron of Iron intends to rule.

Despite his unlimited strength, Hulk has weaknesses. Among his weaknesses, is magic. Particularly, Doctor Doom is unique for his union of science and sorcery. In fact, he is a powerful mage who once contended as a runner-up for the title of Sorcerer Supreme.

In a battle, Doctor Doom’s invulnerable Armor, mystic blasts and esoteric powers are more than a match for Hulk’s strength. Furthermore, Doom’s super-genius intelligence can definitely exploit Hulk’s lack of intelligence.

In Incredible Hulk (2011) #7, Doctor Doom defeats Perfect Hulk. In the issue, Doom separated Hulk from Bruce Banner creating Perfect Hulk. Later, Hulk returns blaming Doom for the Behemoth having killed Bruce Banner. Soon, a fight follows. Though short-lived, it highlights Doctor Doom’s magic and intelligence advantages.

Definitely, Doctor Doom ranks among the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe.

COSMIC KING THOR

In 'Thor' (2020) #6, Cosmic King Thor kills Galactus.
In Thor (2020) #6, Cosmic King Thor kills Galactus. Marvel Comics.

Over the years, Thor and Hulk have been considered rivals. Though, Hulk has often been considered the strongest Avenger. At IGN, Jesse Schedeen argues Thor Just Managed to Kill [Spoiler], Proving He Actually Is the Strongest Avenger.

In 2020, Cosmic King Thor dramatically outclassed the competition. During Donny Cates’ run, titled Devourer King, King Thor becomes Cosmic King Thor, Herald of Galactus. To begin, Galactus and Silver Surfer come to Asgard to warn of the Black Winter. To stop it, Thor agrees to become Galactus’ Herald.

However, it comes at a cost. To prepare for the calamity, Thor helps Galactus consume five planets. Finally, the Black Winter arrives. After testing Thor, it reveals the King dreadful visions of the future. In the end, Thor realizes that he must fulfill Galactus’ prophecy: he is the one to kill Galactus. In one powerful blast, Thor throws his hammer at the Star God, incinerating him immediately.

And considering Thor’s godblast is Universal-Level and a fully-fed Galactus can withstand the core of a galaxy. Definitely, at least a Universal-Level of Energy Projection.

Without a doubt, Hulk has the potential for Infinite Super Strength. Though, Thor’s energy projection can deal some serious damage. In a battle, it is a matter of whether Hulk can withstand a Universe-busting attack from Thor.

ENERGY PROJECTION FEAT: UNIVERSAL

Energy Projection: Universal 83%

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ANNIHILATION SILVER SURFER

In 'Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus,' (2007) #2, Silver Surfer absorbs the energy of the Big Crunch to defeat Proemial Gods.
In Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus (2007) #2, Silver Surfer absorbs the energy of the Big Crunch to defeat Proemial Gods. Marvel Comics.

To this day, Annihilation Silver Surfer is the most popular version of the character. For good measure. During the Annihilation event, Silver Surfer and the United Front fight off an invasion from the Negative Zone. To this end, Annihilus aided by Thanos, has imprisoned Galactus to use as a bomb.

In order to face this crisis, Galactus increases Surfer’s power. Though, he tampers with his personality. Back to active service, Silver Surfer becomes a challenger to even Thor post-Annihilation.

Amazingly, one of the Sentinel’s most well-known feats during Annihilation, is his fight against two Proemial Gods. Notably, Proemial Gods derive their powers from the Big Crunch, the end of the universe.

In Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus (2007) #2, Silver Surfer defeats Tenebrous and Aegis. Initially, no match for the two gods, Silver Surfer lays in space badly wounded. Then, he elects to absorb the energies of the Big Crunch. Soon, he fells his foes. Fortunately, Galactus arrives and heals Surfer who is near death.

In the Marvel Universe, Silver Surfer is one of the top energy manipulators. Over the years, Silver Surfer has dominated Hulk in battles. Using the Power Cosmic, the Silver Surfer has often tampered with Hulk’s rage. In effect, calming the monster and reverting him to Bruce Banner.

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VOID SENTRY

In Siege (2010) #4, Thor and the Avengers face Void Sentry.

At Marvel, there have been many Marvel Supermen versions: Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Gladiator and even Sentry. Among them, Sentry has been the most successful. Perhaps, the most powerful Marvel Superman.

What makes Sentry tick is the fact that he is mentally unstable with the overwhelming power of a god. In fact, he has been stated to possess the power of a million exploding suns.

In World War Hulk, Sentry clashed with Hulk’s most powerful version. What resulted, was a thrilling fight with planet-busting punches and a tornado of searing energy blasts. Both characters went all-out. And at the end, only Bruce Banner was left standing.

However, that was not Sentry’s most powerful version. In Siege (2010) #4, Thor and the Avengers faced Void Sentry. As Void Sentry, Robert Reynolds is an abstract being of horrifying power. Moreover, the entity literally thrashed the entire Avengers team. Indeed, only the power of a god – a Thunder God – is able to conquer him. Proving that when push comes to shove, Thor and Sentry rank ahead of Hulk in terms of power.


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Incredible Hulk Vol 2 107 in Marvel Database.
World War Hulk in Marvel Database.
Incredible Hulk Vol 3 7 in Marvel Database.
Thor Vol 6 1 in Marvel Database.
Thor Just Managed to Kill [Spoiler], Proving He Actually Is the Strongest Avenger in IGN.
Devourer King in Marvel Database.
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus Vol 1 2 in Marvel Database.
Annihilation (Event) in Marvel Database.
Siege Vol 1 4 in Marvel Database.