In the mega-hit crossover DC Versus Marvel (1996), two powerful abstract entities named the Brothers threatened the existence of the DC and Marvel universes. Namely, in order to decide whose universe survives a contest of champions was decreed by the cosmic entities. In a series of battles, the heroes of both universes duked it out in outcomes decided by fan-vote. Largely, the battles were a popularity contest though they indeed were fun!
In some respect, one element that has not been appreciated enough is the off-panel confrontation between Darkseid and Thanos. So, let’s ask the obvious question: Who would win in a battle between Darkseid, The Boss vs My Boy Thanos?
Really, both are A-list villains in their respective universes. Namely, Thanos is well known for conquering the Infinity Gauntlet and bringing the Marvel universe to his heel. At the same time, Darkseid achieved virtual omnipotence in his millennial conquest of the Anti-Life Equation, which threatened the existence of the DC multiverse. At the same time, Thanos also experienced real victory in Marvel: The End. But since the story is non-canon, we cannot use it to compare both villains.
So, let’s compare Thanos with the IG to Darkseid with the ALE.
Generally, formidability is the ability to compete, match and defeat a foe despite overwhelming odds. Usually, formidability indicates a warrior’s ability to defeat a stronger, more powerful and more resourceful enemy. For this reason, it is almost interchangeable with the Fighting Skills Level. For example, this explains why Batman is able to defeat Killer Croc or Bane who are in fact stronger or more powerful. Using tactics, training, technology, resources and intel, Batman is usually able to take on more powerful opponents.
Before we rank our two A-list villains, let’s list some rules.
First, the superhero should be able to consistently defeat opponents above their strength class or power level.
In terms of power level or fighting skills, they should have few or no weaknesses.
Consistently, they should face quality opponents that are at least able to destroy a city.
Finally, they should have fewer limitations in power, strength, ability or intelligence.
First, we will compare them in Strength Class, Intelligence, Preparation, Power and Leadership. Then, let’s rank Darkseid and Thanos in Formidability. To note, all scores are rated out of a 100.
1. STRENGTH CLASS
Generally, Darkseid is at least Stellar Level in Super Strength. Regularly, he takes on Superman-level foes and either matches or is below Superman in Super Strength. At the same time, Orion vs Darkseid showed what happens when the two strongest New Gods unleash their power all-out.
With the ALE, Darkseid is in a human body. Due to those limitations, he is still so powerful that we rated his Super Strength as Irrelevant. At the same time, Darkseid is subject to weakness exploitation with the Radion bullet. In Thanos’ case, his only weakness is mental.
On the other hand, Thanos is often stronger than the strongest warriors in the Earth-616 Universe. In Infinity, Thanos takes on the strongest heroes without the IG: Hulk, Hyperion, Thor.
With the IG, Thanos takes on the entire roster of Marvel’s heroes with just the Power Gem. Hence, he has access to Infinite Super Strength.
In the Intelligence department, Darkseid is among the most intelligent beings in the DC Universe. As a New God, he has access to the Mother Box, the Father Box, the Hellspores, and not to mention he rules the entire planet of Apokolips with its advanced tech, armies and defense systems. In addition, he regularly spies on New Genesis, intercepts its communications with the nigh-omniscient Source. In Death of The New Gods, Darkseid actually decyphers the language of the Source to claim the Soulfire. And of course, at the start of Final Crisis, he claimed the ALE.
Generally, Thanos is a super-genius. In some sense, Thanos is both a space conqueror and a cosmic being. With Sanctuary, his home ship and various other crafts, he can destroy entire planets. In an Adam Warlock story, Thanos threatened to destroy stars in order to win Death.
Though Thanos’ intelligence is cunning, it does not operate on Darkseid’s scale. Indeed, in Thanos: Redemption, the mad Titan was able to intercept Galactus’ files and figured out they had been tampered with. Of course, Galactus is an abstract on the level of Eternity. However, there is quite a difference of power and scale between the universal Eternity and the multiversal Source, which is the final frontier of the DCU.
In terms of strategy and preparation, Darkseid does not compare favorably. In order to gain the IG, Thanos largely operated on his own by besting the Elders of the Universe and other champions in single combat or by outsmarting them. Though, it took Thanos a relative short amount of time after discovering the Soul Gems in Death‘s realm.
In comparison, it took Darkseid millennia in order to obtain the object of his desire, the destructive Anti-Life Equation. As a New God, he intervened in Earth’s history, guiding it and planning in order to investigate that secret. And he still failed. In the end, it took the Death of the New Gods and the destruction of the Fourth World by the Source. Only in Heaven was the God of Evil able to conquer his prize.
Really, the gap in power between both is striking. Let’s start with Thanos. With the IG, the Mad Titan has Infinite power and is nigh-omnipotent. To this end, he was able to beat Marvel’s heroes. At the same time, at full power, he was able to defeat the cosmic entities, including Eternity. What is striking, however, is the fact that Thanos was able to affect only one universe and even Living Tribunal, the multiversal Judge, was not involved.
On the other hand, Darkseid with the ALE threatened all reality. That is, he threatened the entirety of the DC multiverse, past, present and future. All the way to Heaven or the Hyperverse. More importantly, unlike Thanos’ power dependency with the Gauntlet, Darkseid only had to upload the ALE over the Internet and speak it. Horrifyingly, the Earths of the DC multiverse were being dragged to Hell, by sinking into a singularity. How nightmarish!
In the end, all that was left of reality, was the Watchtower floating in space, where Superman and company made their last stand against Darkseid and his forces, even Mandrakk.
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Unquestionably, Darkseid wins in the leadership department. In his case, you actually have to beat him and be more powerful. Only Darkseid has succeeded in opposing everyone against Superman at the end of Final Crisis. With the ALE, the infected are an extension of Darkseid’s will.
In Thanos’ case, hubris undermine his leadership. Notably, despite having attained supremacy in the Marvel universe, Thanos was still challenged by lesser beings. Though he triumphed over his obstacles. Ultimately, Thanos unconsciously knew he was not fit for omnipotence and supplied the means to lose the IG.
Definitely, Darkseid is the Boss!
Strength Class: Irrelevant 100%
Weaknesses: Rare Minerals or Elements 75%
Quality Opponents: Reality 100%
Limitations: Weakness Exploitation 83%
Strength Class: Infinite 100%
Weaknesses: Hubris 50%
Quality Opponents: God or Abstract 100%
Limitations: Power Dependency 92%
And that’s our ranking! Don’t forget to leave comments if you liked the DC vs Marvel.
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It’s the Avengers, the New Warriors, the X-Men and more against the omnipotent Eternal, Thanos! The Mad Titan has become the most powerful being in the universe, and enslavement or destruction may be the only choices he gives it! The successive Starlin sagas that shook space and time start here!
First, the original comic that “Avengers: Infinity War” is based upon. Spectacularly, witness comic history in the pages of Marvel fiction. Indeed, “Infinity Gauntlet” changed the way we look at villains. Moreover, the graphic novel made Thanos an A-list villain in the Marvel Universe.
Gloriously, Jim Starlin and George Perez collaborate to bring a timeless story. “Infinity Gauntlet” is about omnipotence, the lust for power and nihilism. With the Infinity Gauntlet, the mad Titan has achieved godhood. However, his first act of supremacy is to obey Mistress Death’s wishes. To sum, the Thanos Snap erases half of the population of the universe! The graphic novel that started the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Spectacularly, “Infinity Gauntlet” made us believe in villains. Moreover, villains can be the heroes of their own stories. In fact, this graphic novel is quality art with a focus on story-telling and action. Marvel comics gathered an ensemble cast under Adam Warlock’s leadership. In the end, this graphic novel will simply marvel you.
In fact, it is a good starting point for fans starting their Thanos collection. Moreover, “Infinity Gauntlet” was the inspiration for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Finally, the mad Titan emerges as the complex yet triumphant supervillain in the Marvel Universe. Also, this is the essential graphic novel in order to build your Marvel comics collection.
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Interviewed by leukemia survivor KJ Ricci, Stan Lee revealed Doctor Doom is his favorite supervillain. The legendary writer said he does not see Doom as a villain and would like to clear his name.
PER IGN: MARVEL’S GREATEST VILLAIN
IGN’S TOP 100 COMIC BOOK VILLAINS OF ALL TIME
In 2009, IGN counted down the Top 100 Comic Book Villains Of All Time from both DC and Marvel comics. The list features some of the best villains in the two universes such as Magneto, Thanos, Black Adam and Joker. The list even ranks our own Doctor Doom.
Doctor Doom’s origin story is one of tragedy and crime. Victor von Doom was born to gypsy parents. His mother dealt in the dark arts. Tragically, a bargain with Mephisto went awry and the demon claimed Victor’s mother’s soul. Victor studied magic in Latveria then science in America to reclaim his mother’s soul.
Victor Von Doom, Reed Richards and Ben Grimm studied at State University, New York. Apparently, Ben may have been responsible for Victor becoming Doctor Doom. Combining magic and science, Victor’s experiment failed and his face was scarred. Donning armor and mask, he became… Doctor Doom.
What makes Doom a great villain is the fact that he originally was not a villain. His dedication to saving his mother is understandable though the means he uses are abhorrent. In many respects, Doom is a product of his upbringing: tortured, lonely and violent.
Doom’s central motivation is his belief that the world can find peace only under Doomworld. In many respects, this is the belief of all tyrants which shows that Doom’s belief actually stems from those tragic circumstances that developed his lust for power. Why is Doom’s Marvel greatest villain? He has conviction and unmatched willpower.
Doctor Doom’s story is that of tragedy and crime. AP Photo/Marvel Comics
VILLAIN OR ANTI-HERO?
Early stories showcase Doctor Doom as an exclusive Fantastic Four villain. IGN even considers him a fifth member of the Fantastic Four as its necessary antagonist. What makes Doom an interesting villain are his motivations. Ultimately, though he always seeks ultimate power as his goal, his purposes are always devious.
Of course, his final goal is world domination but his methods are infinite. As head of state of Latveria, Doom uses the vast resources at his disposal to do war against the Fantastic Four and Marvel Earth. In some portrayals Doctor Doom has allied himself with the forces of good to face a common enemy. In “Infinity Gauntlet,” Doctor Doom even allied himself to the heroes who banded together to fight Thanos. However, it is always for a devious purpose.
POWERS: SCIENCE AND MAGIC
Doctor Doom is one of the most brilliant minds on Marvel Earth, rivaling Mister Fantastic in scientific expertise. A rarity, Doom has managed to unite both science and magic, upgrading his armor with spells, cosmic energy and other sources of power. What makes Doom so dangerous is his skill in both departments and his viciousness, since he is willing to go to any lengths in order to further his power.
Multiple times, Doctor Doom has succeeded in achieving ultimate power. Doctor Doom managed to steal the Beyonder’s power and become the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe. In the “Avengers: Emperor Doom” storyline, Doom became the benevolent Emperor Doom who succeeded in bringing peace on Earth with the Purple Man’s psycho-prism. In the “Secret Wars” event, Doom stole the Beyonders’ power again, this time, to re-make reality in his image. Indeed, a feat not even Thanos has achieved.
THANOS HAVING BECOME THE MARVEL UNIVERSE’S SUPREME BEING SNAPPED HIS FINGERS TO ERASE HALF THE POPULATION, OR 1018 HUMANS, IN THE MILKY WAY GALAXY WITH THE INFINITY GAUNTLET.
THANOS GENERATED 4.3076389*1039 JOULES PER SECOND OF BIOCHEMICAL ENERGY, DELETING 1.5*1041BYTES OF INFORMATION, THE EQUIVALENT OF 7.80369365942 TIMES THE ENERGY RADIATED BY STARS IN THE MILKY WAY AND ANDROMEDA GALAXIES. ENOUGH TO SHATTER A LARGE STAR.
ENERGY PROJECTION FEAT:
Energy Projection: Multi-Galaxy 75%
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Thanos has conquered the Infinity Gems and become the Supreme Being of the Marvel Universe with the Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos snaps his fingers in order to erase half the sentient life in the universe. In reality, he erased half the sentient life in the Milky Way galaxy.
We will use this statement to estimate Thanos’ Infinity Gauntlet snap.
THANOS’ INFINITY GAUNTLET SNAP
In ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ (1991) #1, Thanos snaps his fingers with the Infinity Gauntlet to erase half the population in the universe. In reality, in ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ (1991) #2, we find out from Issac’s transmission to Starfox on Titan that when Thanos snapped his fingers, he erased half the population in the galaxy. Since Titan is located in the Milky Way galaxy, we know it is half the population in the Milky Way galaxy.
In ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ (1991) #1, Silver Surfer’s cosmic awareness estimates Thanos erases “billions upon billions” of lives. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.
Since Thanos erased half of the population in the Milky Way galaxy, we can state that he deleted their genetic information. Let’s calculate the bytes of information in the genomes of all the humanoid races in the Milky Way galaxy. There are 96 races in the Milky Way galaxy. Assuming they are either humanoid or semi-humanoid, we can estimate the bytes of information in their genetic codes by using humans as a reference.
According to BiteSizeBio, the human body stores 150*1021 bytes of genetic information. Of course, alien races likely contain more or less genetic information. However, since we want an estimate for humanoid or semi-humanoid races in the Milky Way galaxy, we will assume they are more or less human.
Since the Silver Surfer stated there were “billions upon billions” that were erased, we assume the total humanoid population in the Milky Way galaxy is 109 * 109 = 1018 humans.
Information = (150*1021 bytes)(1018 humans) = 1.5*1041 bytes. Biochemical Energy = (1.5*1041 bytes* 1 day * 1 J/K * 310.15 K)/(24 hr * 3600s * 0.125 byte) = 4.3076389*1039 J/s.
On the following pages, it is an all-out battle between Thanos and the cosmic entities. The two celestials attack Thanos with planets, who pulverizes them. Then, Lord Order and Master Chaos attempt to reality warp Thanos. Thanos responds with a Reality-Warping attack. Mistress Love and Sire Hate attempt emotional manipulation.
THANOS SOLAR-SYSTEM-BUSTING ATTACK (x2) = 10 DAMAGE PTS (x2) = 20 DAMAGE PTS. MISTRESS LOVE AND SIRE HATE EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION ATTACK (x6): 6 DAMAGE PTS (x6) = 36 DAMAGE PTS.
The cosmic entities with Mistress Death and Mephisto attempt a final concerted attack. However, Thanos responds with a universe-busting attack. COSMIC ENTITIES UNIVERSE-BUSTING ATTACK (x12): 12 DAMAGE PTS (x12) = 144 DAMAGE PTS.
THANOS UNIVERSE-BUSTING ATTACK: 12 DAMAGE PTS.
In the end, Thanos imprisons the cosmic entities in a force field on his rebuilt Temple.
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In ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ (1991) #5, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet faces the combined cosmic powers of Galactus, Chronos, Master Order and Lord Chaos, Stranger, Epoch, Mistress Love and Master Hate.
In ‘Infinity Gauntlet’ (1991) #5, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet faces the combined cosmic powers of Galactus, Chronos, Master Order and Lord Chaos, Stranger, Epoch, Mistress Love and Master Hate. Photo/Marvel Comics
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