Fan Theory: Miles Morales In The Mainstream Marvel Universe Means The Ultimate Universe Was Rebooted After Secret Wars

FAN THEORY

In 'Secret Wars' (2016) #9, Doctor Doom and Mister Fantastic battle in Molecule Man's white hot room.
In ‘Secret Wars’ (2016) #9, Doctor Doom and Mister Fantastic battle in Molecule Man’s white room. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

IN UNIVERSAL AND MULTIVERSAL ANOMALIES

“SECRET WARS” REBOOTED THE MARVEL MULTIVERSE

In “Secret Wars” (2015), the Marvel multiverse is being destroyed by the multiversal entities known as the Beyonders. Only two remaining universes remain: the main Marvel universe and the Ultimate universe. In the Beyond, Doctor Doom meets with the Beyonders in order to save the remaining universes. Originlly, Molecule Man was designed by the Beyonders as a bomb that would destroy the multiverse. Using Molecule Men as bombs, Doctor Doom and Doctor Strange killed the Beyonders and stole their power.

During the incursions between Earth-616 and Earth-1610, Mister Fantastic built the Future Foundation Life Rafts to transport the survivors to the incursion points. Suffering a hull breach, they nevertheless survived and were transported to Battleworld, created by Doctor Doom. On Battleworld, Doctor Doom was worshipped as God on a world of controlled chaos. There, the Life Raft and the Cabal opposed Doom’s reign. In the end, Doom was defeated and Molecule Man destroyed Battleworld, rebooting the mainstream Marvel universe. In the end, the Ultimate universe was no more.

In 'Secret Wars' (2016) #9, Doctor Doom and Mister Fantastic battle in Molecule Man's white hot room.
In ‘Secret Wars’ (2016) #9, Doctor Doom and Mister Fantastic battle in Molecule Man’s white room. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

MILES MORALES JOINED THE MAINSTREAM MARVEL UNIVERSE

In ‘Secret Wars’ (2015) #6, the Maker’s and Reed Richards plans are set into motion. Miles Morales and Spider-Man go off to the White Room to find Doom’s source of power. There, in front of Molecule Man’s statue, they find Valeria, Doctor Doom’s daughter on Battleworld but who is actually Reed Richards’ daughter. After a brief discussion with her, the two Spider-Men enter the white room. Inside, they find Molecule Man there who asks them if they brought him something to eat. Surprisingly, Miles Morales takes out a three week-old hamburger from his pocket and gives it to Molecule Man.

Fully fed, Spider-Man asks Molecule Man about Doctor Doom’s power source. Molecule Man tells them they are looking at him. In ‘Secret Wars’ (2016) #9, Miles Morales has a flashback to that moment. In the white room, Molecule Man thanks him for the burger. It is implied that Molecule Man saved Miles Morales and his family in the new mainstream Marvel universe. In the present, the two Spider-Men are on a rooftop and after Peter checks if Miles has done his homework, the two Spider-Men swing into adventure to go beat up on bad guys.

In 'Secret Wars' (2016) #9, Miles Morales joins the mainstream Marvel universe.
In ‘Secret Wars’ (2016) #9, Miles Morales joins the mainstream Marvel universe. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

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VENOM WARNS THE MAKER SEEKS TO RE-CREATE THE ULTIMATE UNIVERSE

In ‘Venom’ (2021) #200, the Ultimate universe resurfaces. Now, Eddie Brock has become the new King in Black and is testing his super powers. After testing his omniscience, he notes the only one escaping his power is the Maker, Reed Richards’ evil counterpart from the Ultimate universe. Having obtained an artificial symbiote from the Ultimate universe, the Maker used Venom‘s symbiote to augment and heal his psyche.

Able to travel between dimensions, the Maker returned to the Ultimate universe, which was destroyed. Then, Eddie uses his super powers to meet simultaneously the Avengers, Quiet Council of Krakoa, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Silver Surfer and other groups to warn them tat the Maker will likely return to conquer Earth-616. In fact, this task has been commissioned him by the Interdimensional Council of Reeds. In all likelihood, it is possible the Ultimate universe was rebooted after “Secret Wars.”

In 'Venom' (2021) #200, the Maker returns to the Ultimate Universe using the Venom symbiote.
In ‘Venom’ (2021) #200, the Maker returns to the Ultimate Universe using the Venom symbiote. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

SOURCES

Secret Wars Vol 1 9 in Marvel Database.
Secret Wars Vol 1 6 in Marvel Database.
Venom Vol 4 35 in Marvel Database.

Battles Of The Week: Spider-Man vs Venom (Hero vs Villain)

BATTLES OF THE WEEK

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SYNOPSIS FOR “RISE OF THE OLYMPIAN PART 1: PLAGUE AND PESTILENCE”

In this origin story re-telling, the symbiote has fully bonded to Eddie Brock. He is now prepared to get his revenge on Spider-Man for losing his reporter job at the Daily Globe. Venom becomes a stalker and goads Spider-Man into a fight…

IN SUPERHERO BATTLES

VENOM STALKS SPIDER-MAN AND GOADS HIM INTO A FIGHT
In 'Venom: Dark Origin' (2008) #5, Venom stalks and goads Spider-Man into a fight.
In ‘Venom: Dark Origin’ (2008) #5, Venom stalks Spider-Man and goads him into a fight. AP Photo/Marvel Comics.

Enter the two contestants at the Daily Bugle in New York. On the left side is Spider-Man and on the right side is Venom.

Let’s look at the stats.

SPIDER-MAN – EARTH-616
SUPER-STRENGTH: METAHUMAN
SUPER-SPEED: SUPERSONIC
DURABILITY: METAHUMAN
ENERGY PROJECTION: CITY BLOCK
FIGHTING SKILLS: METAHUMAN
INTELLIGENCE: GENIUS
PARAPHERNALIA
  • Web-shooters.
  • Utility belt.
  • Spider-tracers.
  • Spider-signal.
  • Avenger Identicard.
WEAKNESSES
  • Spider-sense disruption.
  • Ethyl chloride.
  • Bad luck.
VENOM – EARTH-616
SUPER-STRENGTH: BUILDING
SUPER-SPEED: SUPERSONIC
DURABILITY: BUILDING
ENERGY PROJECTION: CITY BLOCK
FIGHTING SKILLS: WARRIOR MADNESS
INTELLIGENCE: FIELD EXPERIENCE
PARAPHERNALIA
  • Venom Symbiote.
WEAKNESSES
  • Mental Instability.
  • Sonics.
  • Heat.
  • Knull.
  • Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

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THE FIGHT

In order to get revenge on Spider-Man who caused him to lose his reporter job at the Daily Globe, Venom stalks Spider-Man with a camera. Venom goads Spider-Man into fighting him in New York.

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VENOM IN COMICS

‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (1988) #300, marks the first appearance of Venom in Marvel continuity. The issue tells the origin story of Venom who bonded to Eddie Brock as he was attempting suicide at Our Lady of Saints. The issue reveals Eddie’s hatred for Spider-Man over the latter’s involvement in Eddie’s loss of employment at the Daily Globe.

The graphic novel was created by Tom DeFalco and David Michelinie.

VENOM’S FIRST SINISTER ISSUE
'Amazing Spider-Man' (1988) #300, marks the first appearance of Venom in Marvel continuity.
‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (1988) #300, marks the first appearance of Venom in Marvel continuity.

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SOURCES

Venom: Dark Origin Vol 1 5 in Marvel Database.
Peter Parker (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.
Edward Brock (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.
Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 30 in Marvel Database.

Marvel Day Series: Created By The Dark Elder God Knull, Venom Is Born!

MARVEL DAY SERIES

In ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (1988) #300, Venom is born! AP Photo/Marvel Comics

IN SUPERVILLAINS

A HISTORY OF THE SYMBIOTE

In ‘Venom’ (2018) #4, the dark Elder god Knull tells Eddie Brock about the origin of the Venom symbiote, the Klyntar. AP Photo/Marvel Comics

In ‘Venom’ (2018) #4, the dark Elder god Knull in Knowhere tells Eddie Brock about the origin of the Venom symbiote, the Klyntar.

The story begins with the Elder god Knull “in the beginning” being invaded in his dimension by the Celestials.1 Seeing it as a war between light and darkness, Knull summons a sword out of the Abyss and decapitates a Celestial.

Then, using its remains, he forges the necrosword, the beginning of the symbiote. He sets out to attack the night and is then repelled onto a desolate, abandoned planet. Then, Knull creates the symbiote on the planet by bonding his abyss with lesser creatures. Eventually, Knull raises an army to slay gods across the galaxy until they reach Earth.

The Grendel, which is a dragon sent by Knull to slay worlds, reach Earth and are slayed by Thor’s lightning bolt. The bond between Knull and his army is broken across the galaxy and the symbiotes become infected by “venom”.1 They become the Klyntar and rise up against Knull who is consumed by the darkness.

In ‘Venom: Dark Origin #4’, the symbiote tells Eddie Brock his origin story. He remembers 60,000 light-years away and being born on the nameless desolate planet. There, Venom protects a rodentoid alien by transforming it into an apex predator.

VENOM HAS HAD TWELVE HUMAN HOSTS

Venom has had twelve human hosts. In Deadpool’s Secret Secret Wars #3, Venom’s first human host was Deadpool on Battleworld. Deadpool wore the symbiote moments before Spider-Man would come to use it to repair his damaged costume. Deadpool realized the symbiote had bonded and was interfacing with his mind. Fearing that his insanity would affect the symbiote, he returned it to its prison.

Another notable host of the symbiote has been Flash Thompson. In ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (2011) #654, Flash Thompson became Venom after he was enlisted onto Project: Rebirth 2.0. Flash was bonded to the symbiote acquired after the Siege of Asgard. Once bonded, Flash was able to regenerate his legs and had powers similar to Spider-Man’s.

 

In ‘Deadpool’s Secret Secret Wars’ (2015) #3, Deadpool creates his new costume with the alien symbiote on Battleworld. AP Photo/Marvel Comics

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VENOM IS BORN!

In ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (1988) #300, Daily Globe journalist Eddie Brock publishes about the Sin-Eater. Suffering from adrenal cancer with a few months to live, journalist Eddie Brock wanted to break out a story for the Daily Globe. He was contacted by Emil Gregg who claimed to be the Sin-Eater. He began publishing front-page exclusives protecting the Sin-Eater’s identity under the First Amendment until pressure from the police and his editor forced him to reveal the Sin-Eater as Emil Gregg. From that time, Eddie was filled with hate for Spider-Man.

Unfortunately for Eddie, that same day, Spider-Man and Daredevil captured the real Sin-Eater and revealed his identity to be Detective Stan Carter. He was fired from the Globe, his wife Anne left him and his father disowned him. Seeking redemption, he headed to Our Lady Of Saints Church to beg forgiveness from God and commit suicide. Once inside, he was attacked by the alien symbiote and bonded to it. The symbiote bonded to Eddie mentally and physically and revealed that he had posed as Spider-Man’s costume, but that Spider-Man had attempted to kill it using the church’s bell tower. Eddie’s despair, rage and fierce hate for Spider-Man fed the symbiote. Venom was born!

In ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ (1988) #300, Venom is born! AP Photo/Marvel Comics

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SOURCES

Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 300 in Marvel Database.
Venom Vol 4 4 in Marvel Database.
Venom: Dark Origin Vol 1 4 in Marvel Database.
Meet All of Venom’s Human Hosts in CBR.com.
Deadpool’s Secret Secret Wars Vol 1 3 in Marvel Database.
Amazing Spider-Man Vol 1 654 in Marvel Database.
Edward Brock (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.
Venom (Klyntar) (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.
Eugene Thompson (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.
Stanley Carter (Earth-616) in Marvel Database.

FOOTNOTES

  1. Venom #4.